Aim120C a thread that proves; gajin dont cares that shes too weak

no thats just not true, in that thread there are no sources that would give us an idea of how amraams would pull off the rails or shortly after.
which is what we wouldve need to proove that the amraam was overperfoming or right now underperfoming, there are no numbers that would support the nerf that gaijin did, nor are there numbers that would support it pulling as hard as it does, we know the amraam can achieve a max overload of roughly 30/35 gs, anything other than that was arbitrary on gaijin’s part, which wouldnt be an issue if they actually came out with the math or the reasoning, right now we’re left with the least agile top tier missile by far and its absolutely terrible.

there isnt much to argue anymore we can try to find sources but we really shouldnt need to at this point, when there is a lack of information this large balance should take the forefront.

there are videos, but those arent accepted for bug reports

I think the first step is to fix these 4 reports:

AIM-120A & B - Max range against non-manoeuvring targets too low

AIM-120A & B - Performance against manoeuvring targets too poor

AMRAAM Beamwidth currently too large.

AIM-120 Reduced Smoke Motor

Its stupid that they havent yet

Also operating on a basis that C5 would at a bare minimum continue to match the base A/B performance in all regards unless a source states otherwise, so C5 would probably exceed the first 2 reports, but if its based upon a percentage upgrade over the A/B then buffing the A/B would in turn buff the C5

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It would be a start if they implemented that

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It’s from the Tornado F.3 manual so is either AIM-120B or AIM-120C-5. I believe it is likely written about AIM-120B as the AIM-120C-5 seems to be an afterthought for that section.

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quite literally there artificially nerfed there only 13.0 cause the aim54 cause people complained alot who dont know how to notch its like one chaff basically and dont fly in straight line the only buff theyve gotten is a slight seeker buff

still dont perform anywhere close to IRL while misslies like R27ER over perform seeker wise but ya know america is op or something

they should be given historical weapons load out

AIM-9M
and AIM-54 buff and be made 13.3

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Aim54s were so good tomcats had no reason to integrate aim120s. Yet in war thunder they’re worthless

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Would like to see amraams turn performance buffed again now, somewhere between how it used to be and currently.

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yep, they need to put the wing area back to 1.3 or up to 1.325, then maybe tweak the aoa.

They were improved from 15 G to 17 G; the timing was probably when the Iranian F-14 was introduced. I’m not aware of the AIM-54 seeker being improved.

It’s obvious why the F-14B sits at 13.0, since it’s significantly better than the F-14A. You don’t have to use the AIM-54 anyway — you can also use the AIM-7.

Unfortunately, the good times for the F-14 are over, and that’s something you just have to accept. I only played the F-14B, and that was a long time ago. Back then, the AIM-54s were quite strong if you knew how to use them properly

No matter what I do my 120s are always missing. Target at 5km facing me, they drop 1 chaff and my missile goes to narnia.

well if they contuined service they where likely to be fitted with AIM-120s due to weight as the AIM-120D models do basically same stuff

Warfare Media

no duel plane
no reduced smoke motor for AIM-54C
no accurate radar

mind you a F14A ONE AIM-54 shot down three MIG-23s all in one shot

they would be the best 13.3 fighters with there accurate performance

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yeah thats a given but at the time? aim120b had very little to offer to f14ds

The F-14s don’t really need a buff. Their statistics aren’t that bad.

I’m well aware that it once shot down three MiGs, and that also works in War Thunder

its stats are good because good players play it thats the only reason everyone whos average will probably just skip it since its foldered now

stats balacning is flawed cause ive seen vehicles like SU33 because noobs play them they get a lowered br even though ive seen people with a near 6.8KD ratio in them cause 8 R27ERs and 4 R73s are OP at 13.0

why you think The M48A2C sat at 7.3 for a decade while the american one was 7.7

mind you there are many vehicles that have ABSURD KDs and dont get raised

many 13.0s are way better than it its closer to a 12.7 in performance also consider what it faces which is mostly F18 wallet monkeys who fly in straight line and die

mind you F14B still has same load out as 12.3 with a worse Radar by a country mile

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETVmyW-ynI&pp=ygUPRjE0QiB3YXJ0aHVuZGVy

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As you said, in the right hands it’s actually very strong.

If you’re of the opinion that they absolutely need to be improved, you can have them. In the end, hardly anyone will care anyway which ones they are

but anything can be strong in right hands like what ?

so if a bunch of experinced players play the HE-51 and get 3.0 kds should it be raised in br ? and when a new player plays it and doesnt do aswell should it be dropped ?

stat balancing is flawed fundamentally

F14B has a higher KD RATIO than the F15A, SU33, SU27, F2A ADTW so should we drop all these planes in BR ?

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literally every minor nation

the su33 has never differed in BR from the su27 bro

it notably doesnt have the same loadout, it has aim54 genius

you would need a lot of people as that thing is played in decent amounts already

balancing is based around more than k/d

still less flawed than every other possible method

balancing based on the vehicles actual performance is how it should be done otherwise you get vehicles that baloon in br that arent worthy of those brs

for example 6.7 T44 being one

the SU33 wouldn’t be 13.0 if it wasn’t a squadron SU27 is just as op honestly

and the AIM-54 does not justify the BR increase F14B could easily Be a 12.7 without being absurd you can carry same amount of sparrows as the F/A-18A and carry same amount of 9Ls while having a worse radar and flight model

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