aam3 my favourite ir missile
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i mean its second best one in my opinion
list goes
MAGIC-2
PL5EII
PL8B
AAM3
R73
AIM-9M
whats better?
just the magic 2 and its copys the PL8B and PL5EII which are just magic 2 rip offs which magic 2 is unflarable in a close up engagement you can still flare AAM3
Aim-9M are so buggy/broken at the moment that its impossible to really judge. Not touched air in about a week, but Im not even sure its IRCCM was even enabled, even in rear-aspect shots. That providing they dont just decide to go AWOL
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Hmm maybe this needs to be tested
I have a report already in for it not working in front aspect
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/tmSP9xgDcw4T
and this is a clip of an Aim-9M going for flares over the target in rear-aspect
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That should add the aim9m-8 or aim9m-9
They just need to add Aim-9M. Not the Aim-9L+ we have currently
- Tracking rate is wrong
- Lock range is wrong
- IRCCM barely works (literally doesnt work in front aspect)
- Missing IRCCM modes
- The missile bugs out all the time and decide that a tree is a better target
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9L+ is just a copypaste of the 9M with smoke
So by extension the 9M also needs to be fixed
No. Not what I meant. damn Germans making things confusing.
What Aim-9M/Aim-9Li/Aim-9Li-1 are in game right here right now is Aim-9L with or without smokeless motor respectively and an IRCCM that sometimes works. Not Aim-9M (and co). There are many known and reported differences between the Aim-9L and Aim-9M (and German equivalents) that Gaijin has systematically ignored to the point where we dont have Aim-9M, or Aim-9Li, or Aim-9Li-1. What we have is just Aim-9L+
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literally a better aim9m with none of the downsides
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Exactly, plus the fact it’s on the second best dogfighter in the game makes it even better
which only proves what i said.
Your point was that you can’t trust that Nato missiles can defeat Russian flares because of an article printed about an extremely old variant of the sidewinder in one test, and you can’t see at all how the technological differences between the missile then and now in both how flares are rejected and how targets are maintained in the lock would make this point obsolete. Or that once they uncovered this glaring issue they wouldn’t just address it and make sure later test for that missile and following missiles would be able to pass a test against dirty flares or different types of countermeasures. So no it doesn’t prove your point, which is that apparently nobody in 50 years has decided to address what may have been a problem on the aim-9P’s seeker head and that missiles now a days clearly use the same exact seeker head.
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It was one good example of when they thought their missile would be unflareable and it wasn’t
And they probably still aren’t considering they’re still working to improve the seeker countermeasure rejection - there is no room for improvement with a 100% success rate.
Theres a reason they fired an amraam instead of another aim-9x despite the close range. They expected the other 9x to also not hit, most likely due to flares. If it was a one off dud there is no reason to switch into a weapon where you supposedly have less advantange at, especially at those ranges.
You’re right, for that time period it was a good quote.
But the line after states it was redesigned due to that test.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/yes-us-air-force-flew-russian-mig-29-fighters-197126
we’re talking about aim9p5 here its the worst ircmm missile the us has put into serial production, aim9x is a IIR missile, you have put virtually 0 thought into this
And in the end, IIR also is not impossible to flare. It’s real world, anything can happen. Why do you think even IIR missiles receive CCM upgrades? Because they’re not foolproof.
Why do you think they need to do this? Don’t be obtuse.
You also ignored everything else i said, which is understandable considering they weren’t easily arguable and most people try to nitpick their way through.
9X is probably the weakest IIR missile, I would not use it as the bench mark. And BOL pods should be the only real counter however in game they would not be capable.