This does often work, but only at ranges outside a couple of kilometers. what im talking about ive found to work basically 100% of the time, so long as you are low enough to the ground. The R-27ET is obv an IR missile, so will behave differently
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I misread it initially, but already responded:
Again, already responded to an argument like this:
Unless the AIM-7E2 is massively overperforming from its stated stats it is not comparable in anything other than pure maximum velocity.
This was somewhat true for the Mig-29, since it only had 2 R-27ER (although again I would have only given it 2 R-27R’s if giving it missiles better than all others is the way of balancing it), but the Su-27 holds the most missiles in game with 6 R-27ER. That’s way overshooting balance imo, especially if the reason was to compare the flight model of the F-15.
I don’t understand people saying this, the IRCCM might be better but it’s a whole 10G lower than the R-73. I’ve also heard many people talk about consistent methods of making a 9M miss (literally just flaring and then immediately turning) but none for a R-73 besides pray.
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The Su-27 has mediocre flight performance at best. That’s why it has such a good kit. The F-15A has very good flight performance and mediocre kit. That’s the way it currently stands.
Again the lack of knowledge just pulses from you. Do you even know what IRCCM is and how it functions?
The AIM-9M’s IRCCM turns of it’s IR seeker and predicts the movement of target by last known path. That’s exactly why you can pop flares and bank a turn to defeat it. The missile “doesn’t see you” for a brief moment.
R-73 and Magic 2’s IRCCM works by shrinking the seeker FOV to very small angle basically ultra focusing on heat signature, making “NATO” vehicles better in this regard as they have exactly much higher CM kit for this purpose.
Both IRCCM have it’s pros and cons.
AGAIN, I will refer to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDbcydqK8o
WATCH it, then watch it again, AND JUST THEN come back here.
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Ignoring f 16c block 50 with the stupid mods it got from like 2012
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The F-15 does not have a good enough flight performance to warrant such an awful kit in comparison to the Su-27.
I’ve already watched this video, and I already know how the IRCCM works on the missiles.
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But it does though its much better then the SU27 FM wise
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Much better in what? Just the rate?
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almost in everything
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Like what? The Su-27 has better AoA which is one of the most important stats, especially when the Su-27 can carry 6 dogfighting missiles (even though it doesn’t even need to use its AoA due to its HMD).
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ok keep moaning the F15 is a good aircraft
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You sure haven’t given me any reason to believe that it’s even viable compared to any of the other planes added during the Air Supremacy update
F15 has good flight performance good radar but only has 7Ms but has 9Ms which is the best medium range missile in the game
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Good flight performance in what metrics? So in total:
- Can’t win long range missile engagements versus a R-27ER
- Can’t win short range missile engagements versus a R-73, AAM-3, or the Magics
- Can win a medium range engagement assuming there isn’t an R-27ER being shot at them
Ah yes, this is totally balanced - only partially viable in 1/3 of the situations it comes across.
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It seems like the aim 9m is supposed to have a more sophisticated irccm though. Since as it stands now the aim 9L is more reliable in a rear shot
You know the AMM is only a longer range 9M right it only pulls slightly more but nothing like the R73
You know how to counter a R27ER hug the ground then it can’t do anything
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A longer range and more maneuverable missile than the one the F-15A gets, and I’m supposed to just be fine with the US getting the worst version of the F-15?
You’re assuming that the Su-27 isn’t at an equally low altitude as the F-15, where the R-27ER would still work (in addition to the R-73). At low altitudes the flight performance of the F-15 also doesn’t matter as much because it can only move horizontally, so the supposed “flight performance” advantage you keep talking about is nullified.
So essentially:
Stay high altitude → get hit by a R-27ER
Stay mid altitude → get hit by a R-27ER
Stay low altitude → safe from R-27ER’s that are above you (but not ones at your altitude), still vulnerable to R-73, and your flight performance advantage is near nullified because you can’t move to a higher altitude.
Both missiles can be flared, the R-73 can be a lot more easily avoided when it is head on or rear on. However, in a furball, there are lots of flares flying about, and all it takes is one of these flares to enter the tight fov of the R-73 for it to be defeated. The way the 9M works means that it can often evade random flares. What really makes the 9M better is the smokeless motor, which makes it much harder to spot and even attemp to evade, and it also it has greater range than the R-73, in part owing to the increased guidance time, but also that 40G overload means it bleeds speed much easier
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No your just not low enough
or a AIM54 no one stays high in top tier as you will get smacked down immediately
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My dude a F-15 does not get to clip under the ground, so a Su-27 can always be at the same altitude as the F-15.
A R-27ER is much better than any AIM-54, though. Additionally, only the F-14’s get them so that does not apply to any F-16’s or the F-15.
if you low enough no radar missile can hit you it will only hit the ground the only one that’s a defies this is the AIM54 due it explosive load even it missing it can still hit you that counters your biggest problem
Your 9Ms will out range his R73s it is the meta right now to stay low