After leviathan update, the aim-9L is becoming very weak. Before the update, the aim-9L still can ignore the flare when you shoot it below 1 KM at certain angle.
After the update, the missile is always eating the flare and cannot pulled the 30G properly now.
Against a horde of R-73/27/Magic 2 with IRCCM and sometimes Derby/aim-120/R-77, it would be fair to give all F-16A with IRCCM as well like AIM-9M or AAM3 for F-16AJ.
AIM-7F without data link is unreliable in comparison with R-27, which is similar to aim-7P.
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this would increase their BR to 13.0.
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Yeah, the Belgium f16a sitting at 13.0 because of those AIM9M but lacking any form of radar missile is just not in a good BR. 13.0 is basically 13.7 with a few 14.0, there’s not much the f16 can do without fox1, but that also count for those that only have sparrows imo
i mean
that would be fine tbh
7F is still decently potent at 13.0
After the update that is the least of missiles problems. Maybe we should let Gaijin fix all the stuff they broke then see how things look.
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F-20A with 9M would be 13.0.
which, good luck with 45x CMs. you can also say goodbye to downtiers to 11.7.
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Honestly, while I don’t possess them, I find the f16 and f20 in a very potent BR for their capabilities. They are not completely dominated but they remain pretty strong at their BRs. I haven’t found the AIM9L to be any worse from defending against it and playing with it a tiny bit. I don’t see the need for them to receive AIM9M and go up in BR. A discussion could be held for the F14 tho, although I personally believe the phoenixes are still very decent missiles and completely warrants their BRs
Yeah , and I enjoy bullying them in the Tornado Gr4 :P
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They just need to overhaul how IR signatures are modeled. Or more accurately. Actually model IR signatures. Some aircraft are stupidly hot and can never flare an IR missile, Especially one with slightly above average flare resistance like the 9L and others can 1 tap flare a 9L without ever coming off AB. Proper IR signatures would level things out and make defending against all IR missile require more than a single brain cell.
Would be all the buff the 9Ls need (though wouldnt say no to Britain getting Dechriped 9Ls, but that is a niche buff)
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The AAM-3 and AIM-9M for the F-20A and all F-16As would be ludicrous. It would force them up in BR and would make them face planes they cannot ever hope to possibly beat.
If you feel like the AIM-9L is underpreforming in any way (such as CM resistance, maneuverability, seeker FoV) make a bug report on it and hope gaijin employees fix the issues if the sources are valid sources
They are and they aren’t
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9Ls should ignore large calibre flares when fired against something on reheat.
But the issue likely isnt that the flare resistance is too low, nor that flares are too strong but that aircraft are too cold, especially on reheat with a few exceptions like the Harriers which are too hot. For anything to be fixed. We need exhausts temps to actually be modeled. Its currently based upon the thurst output of the engines which just isnt adequate anymore. This is why things like the F-5s are ice cold and the Harriers are so hot.
well i think only F4EJ kai need AAM3 now
It’s trite to say at this point but 8.0+ needs severe decompression. I get the frustration of lower BR planes like Mirage F1s running around with Magic 2s etc. but F-16s with IRCCM missiles would be way too much for <13.0.
“hmm i wonder why every british thing ever is tad bit too high in BR!”
proceeds to slime F-20 in Tornado out of all things.
Their BR would become 13.0 instantly and 13.3 after decompression. No thanks.
AIM-9Ls are good missiles.
To be fair the F-20 should never be losing that battle.
I’d also much rather have F-16AJ be 12.7 and F-16A OCU be 13.0 due to superior missiles and CAS (6x 9Ms or mixed w/ Python 3s + 6x Mavs, 2x GBUs
Indeed but its what makes it funnier.
AAM-3 for AJ would be comical but it would up the BR which isnt a good thing
It’d be cool if modifications could alter the BR of a vehicle. Say, if they gave R-73s as an option to the Yak-141 and said “Equipping this modification will raise the vehicle’s BR to 13.0. Do you wish to proceed?”. Same could happen for radar missiles, like giving Su-34s and MiG-29SMTs the option to carry the R-77-1 since they pretty much only see 14.0 matches (in Sim they ONLY see 14.0), or even for tanks with APS and different gun options.