As far as what smin said, its not that the missile fin aoa is incorrect or not necessarily. It’s that the fin aoa will be whatever the devs choose to meet a certian goal of missile performance. Right now the best we have are the british tornado reports which give hit data that the current missile doesn’t meet. They just either want the aim120 to be mid/bad to keep it from wrecking lobbies on the best aircraft like the eurofighter i assume. Though even with maneuverability changes the aim120 would at best be middle of the road with a slight edge at range due to its superior loft.
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ok so what are we expected to do
because the devs clearly artificially nerfed amraam performance, and due to the missile being classified the documents to get it fixed either cant be used or are being ignored
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Idk anymore. Really the only faith i have left to get anything changed is a review bomb or gunjob using his powers to scrounge up something for the 120. And no i am not advocating for a review bomb, just seems to be the only thing that gets Gaijin to change their mind on a topic.
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yeah the whole “meteor much acceleration is slower than its peers” crowd doesnt quite understand that at the ranges were that would matter you would be completely unable to outrun the missile
ok
but given what the devs clearly think of the amraam I would expect meteor to be easily rollable when its added
and you know even harder to get fixed because more recent and classified
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Still can’t wait for the f22 to have worse stealth capabilities than the su57 because there aren’t sources on its actual rcs, only estimates.
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So officially I have joined in the search today for sources on the AIM-120s, MICAs, IRIS-T, ASRAAM, AIM-9 series, and other assorted NATO weaponry.
I have successfully put in a request for 3 large primary NATO books produced in 1988, 1993, and 2000 and should have them arrive in a few weeks time atleast well before the May major update.
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Do congressional hearings count as primary sources e.g Air Force/Navy fiscal year 19XX?
Yes, but it depends on what they say. If its not hard numbers being discussed Gaijin wont have it.
Since when could AMRAAM be rolled? This is news to me lol
Anyways, you can expect similar (if slightly worse) performance to AMRAAM (in close range, that is) so nothing ‘new’ there. Besides, people with Meteor will still have AIM-120B/C-5 or MICA EM to fall back on. So no worries 😎
Within 6km you dont even have to roll, you can just pull hard and dodge them sometimes. at least the c-5/d.
it can since the nerf
with 120C being even easier to roll
its very reliable against the ~4-5km low altitude launches
This applies to the R-77 too. Both missiles need speed to actually pull (in the AIM-120s case… “pull” is more of a suggestion), so no surprise there. Physics, ladies and gentlemen
There does also have to be a pretty significant difference in speed between the aircraft and missile for it to happen but it is possible, just not as reliable as aim7 rolling
The issue is really that the AIM-120C / -D don’t meet established AIM-120A / -B maneuverability metrics due to dev fiat.
because the fins are smaller.
Without any consideration of the fact that the Center of Gravity and static stability quantities changed due to the longer motor section and shifted moment arm of the redesigned Control Section.
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I suppose that’s true. Still, if they fixed the aim120a/b it would be a start. I assume we don’t have any sources on the SCAS or VCAS for the aim120 do we? If we could prove they improved the actuators on the fins for more fin aoa, it should lead to better maneuverability. Then again if the missiles are modeled based on the way the devs feel they should be, i honestly don’t think any bug report would change their minds.
It’s really going to fuck over the F-22 & F-35 since they are strictly limited to -120C/D, or AIM-260.
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I thought the f22 could carry aim120b on the external racks? was it simply never integrated due to c-5 being better irl?
We’ve gotten planes that aren’t exactly real (or at least, not in any noticeable quantity), do you think we’ll transition into project missiles?
Depends how paper we’re talking about imo