thats literally the aim120
meteor
Iris-T
9x
asraam
mica em/ir
are all missiles that arent the amraam that are used by nato
you could say the same about meteor and micas. 9x, iris t and asraam are cheap and very useful for shorad uses + the one in a million chance that dogfighting happens.
shockingly countries with good defense industries and engineers will design and field their own weapons despite very good weapons being present on the export market.
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Just curious. What could Gajin accept besides classified documents. Because thats what you’re asking for it seems. It seems disingenuous to ask for what you all know is classified information. Without leaking classified info and going to prison, or at the very least being banned from the bug reporting system and the forums, we have no options. So we literally have to just take Gaijin at their word when there is evidence to the contrary?
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Whats really mind blowing is that the aam-4 which is a larger, heavier missile turns better than something lighter and more aerodynamic. its a joke.
Like you expect me to believe that the AAM-4 can pull twice as hard as the aim120 when the body and fins are based on the sparrow? Also at least wikipedia says the aam-4 is a 25g missile. Why can it do that? because it has 20 degrees of fin aoa.
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No not unless it comes with information confirming its not longer classified. And the nature of the source doesn’t mean it will be classified. We’ve used manufacturer brochures etc for materials in the past.
I am not in anyway, encouraging or asking for materials that are not legally available.
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/FTINp3ILB1Ls
Is there any way we could at least get this report bumped. Because the aim120 is not performing as it should based on reports from over 2 years ago. If these decisions were just to make the fox 3’s different for gameplay variety instead of realistic, i could accept that. Claiming that its realistic is kinda hard when it simply is under performing.
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I’m well aware of the report, I forwarded it. I do regularly bump this report.
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Thank you kind sir. I guess its back to scrounging for something to get the missile improved.
I’ve been doing the same as well. :)
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I appreciate it. At this point gaijin has given the aim120 completely nerfed manuverability while giving it less delta v than any other ARH besides the aam-4 and aam-4 can pull more than twice as hard as aim120c-5. It’s like they want aim120 to be bad.
only because of french being french.
9X/IRIS-t/ASRAAM are different requirements for an extremely short range, cheaper IR missile to give an IR missile capability
Meteor is a higher end missile specialized for very long range
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larger airframe will produce more lift if designed in such a way.
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Yeah, i get it has larger fins, but for the difference to be that drastic seems something is off with one missile or the other.
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its specialized but its really not that specialized, the rocket booster gives enough acceleration for the ramjet to kick in, and after that sure it might be relatively slow, but youre dead either way
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we know the amraam has been a exception to the way maneuverability is handled for top tier missiles for a while
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Meteor mentioned, I have been summoned.
Mach 1.6+ launch on Eurofighter/Rafale, ~3 second solid rocket burn time, ~250 second ramjet burn at max (could be less, if target is closer)… We should update the quote: “Three things in life are certain: Death, Taxes, and Meteor”.
That’s not a fair comparison, aam4 is overperforming in maneuverability some what and has accepted bug reports that the devs have been sitting on for years now
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So it’s a little of column a and a little of column b. aam4 is over performing and aim120 is under causing the massive discrepancy.
ok, but what what kind of sources do you expect people to use for a change to fin AoA
because that is not something marketed in any way, and now apparently video proof that the in game value is wildly under tuned is denied because “player calculations”, and how exactly is saying “that is very clearly more than 15 degrees” a player calculation
and the devs seem to use it to artificially nerf missiles in a way that can not be corrected for via bug reports
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