Still come back to C-5 threads and chuckle to myself given so SO many people were loosing their minds like the C-5 would be a revolution and that Russia and others needed the likes of the ramjet R-77s and so on.
The C-5 is a fatter A/B and has next to no reason to exist in game, just like the C-7.
“The R-27EA must be coming. We need it!” CoPE.
They coped until the C-5 became useless
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/1J1sH0gvhL7F
“Upgraded control section” yet it’s the same as the A
aim120s are gimped maneuverability wise for no reason right now. its not aim120c5 thats underperfoming, its aim120a/b and c-5.
mind you there is no source on the current terrible HOBS perfomance, because gaijin made an asspull to nerf em. right now aim120c5 is the worst 14.0 missile.
Ehh. Wouldn’t say worst but it’s certainly not in the top 3. I’d still pick the C-5 over a basic R-77 any day of the week
I wouldn’t, matter of fact i wouldn’t pick any cyrrent amraam variant over the R77
have you played the basic R-77? it’s pretty dogshit, but i digress. All fox 3s are pretty nerfed, and especially the C-5 and C-7
You still get better HOBS capability than any 120 in game
This idea of applying nerf or buff to missiles is very wrong, it is unrealistic
True
Except there are a number of outstanding bug reports related to missiles like Aim-120A/B and Aim-9M that would result in notable buffs for the missiles based upon historical data.
Their current state could be considered an ahistorical/unrealistic nerf.
And whilst im not directly advocating for their addition right at this moment in time. Aircraft like the Typhoon should not be using Aim-9M. Instead they should be using ASRAAM or IRIS-T
Aim-120/aim-9m is not unique in having plenty of outstanding bug reports, there’s plenty of other fox 2/3s that also got outstanding ones. I think it’s a matter of game balance of why gaijin isn’t taking action on them
Perhaps, but still very annoying that some have gone through (such as MICA EM getting the improved seeker) but others like Aim-9M lock ranges still hasnt.
Yes i have, and because 90% of my engagements are under 20km, having better hobs capability and overall maneuverability is Far more important than any additional range will ever be.
That’s why i’m gonna go as far as saying the aim120 is currently the worst out of any top tier fox 3, besides the Derby/darter (but for those i can’t speak about, since i haven’t really used them much).
Now this doesn’t mean the amraam is a terrible missile, it absolutely isn’t.
It’s just that for at least my experience, in the majority of my fights, the amraam performed or would have performed worse than any other fox 3.
r-77 isnt at 14.0
35G overload has left the chat. C5 never peaked above 12g when it was tracking. What’s weird is, both the server replay and ingame replay didn’t even register a missile launch after this
I beat him in aoa battle, launched a missile as soon as I got a lock and it didn’t show up as launching in the server replay
Considering the Rafale current dominance, I would personally say that adding modern fox 1 to everyone would actually improve the overall top tier balance, since the gap for the rafale to MICA IR isn’t nearly as big as say the EFT to the ASRAAM and IRIS-T
On one hand, the MICA seeker still has some outstanding reports, like being J band (which would make it invisible to many Russian RWR, including a few that could fight the rafale, especially in GRB).
Also, while I agree that the AIM120C5 not having its seeker is criminal, you are making a shortcut by mentioning the AIM9M.
IR seeker range is completely independent from ARH seeker buffs, and is a global issue across many missiles, be them US, Russian, and even French. AFAIK, basically’ every top tier IR missile has oustanding reports on their seeker range.
In this specific case tho fixing seeker ranges would definitely benefit the 9M the most, and I’d personally be all for it (meanwhile the Magic 2 for example couldn’t care since it’s already kinetically limited)
I do agree and yes, but I was talking more generally about missiles than just fox 3 but was an example of something that probably wouldnt actually affect balance at all but still hasn’t come yet
Didnt the c5 had a better seeker in dev ?