" The U.S. Army’s 12th Combat Aviation Brigade (CAB) in Germany is upgrading its fleet to the advanced AH-64E Version 6 Apache Guardian, with 24 of these helicopters arriving at Katterbach Army Airfield, Ansbach, starting in September 2023. These helicopters enhance U.S. European Command capabilities for training and rapid response across Europe"
hmmm so why not gaijin?
Cause they are US army helicopters, statationed in germany.
Thats not a reason to add them for germany.
Germany has nothing to do with it
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so should the US get the EF becasue german Eurofigters were stationed there once for an excercise
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German Tornados in the U.S. tree because they were stationed in the U.S.
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rafale m’s in the US naval linebecause they were stationed on a US carrier once
there is probably a million other similar examples for multiple countries
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giving germany more pars or spikes won’t help, fill the missing 13.0 heli with poland. Its not like this will deny poland becoming a subtree and only being used to fill a hole. Italy needs their 13.0 heli too somehow and sweden is even a more tough spot with max 11.7.
Not every tech tree needs to have a highest BR vehicle of every type. If gaijin fixes non-lmur AGMs, LDIRCM and reworks the SP cost of CAS to actually make sense then the UHT is good enough. No need to shoehorn in a polish Apache.
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its been years, gaijin would find it easier to shove in a copy paste heli.
You think Gaijin will fix the only thing saving helis at top tier?
Not that much of a help
Gaijin is trying to add more pars to the UHT which just goes to show their attitude to fixing the actual missile
Germany is one of the big three nations in war thunder yet missing a top tier heli that smaller nations like japan got. If japan can get one through indonesia even though its not a subtree yet, then germany can get one through poland
This is just a game so don’t try to get your own personal interests interfering, you guys need to think about balance.
Thankfully they won’t, glad that Germany won’t be getting more Polish vehicles
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But do we really need more copy and paste Apaches?
No but a man can hope
I feel like 200-300 SP less than a LDIRCM Apache would definitely be a good cheap CAS option
I dont think that every major needs to have the same capabilties everywhere
Polands not a subtree of Germany tho
Im not. Balance doesnt mean that everything has to be copy and paste. Germany is weak in the heli department but other parts of the lineup could make up for that. The current balance problem comes from LDIRCM helis just being broken in general and id rather have the broken thing fixed instead of just adding more broken things
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was referring to a particular polish person lol
while russia can excel in all areas and usa can excel in all except in air but both germany and usa are practically the same in air?
not a really good argument
Indonesia is not a subtree too?
Yes but since russia is and usa does everything germany has but better heli means that germany should get a 13.0 heli.
These are US helicopters. Not German.
Poland is not a German sub tree. Japan received the AH-64E via Indonesia, which is a sub tree.
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Are there future plans for a 13.0 heli with LDIRCM for germany?
Germany has no examples of helicopters with LDIRCM currently. The same for Sweden. Unfortunately its not possible for all nations.
I wouldnt really call russia excelling in the tank department and the US is clearly worse at fixed wing CAS than Germany
Or Germany could recieve a buff in the other departments
germany seems to be phasing out the tiger helis completely, looking for a long term replacement for an attack heli unfortunately
already nerfed with an extra second reload compared to USA ground. Where can germany be buffed?
The Leopards and the IRIS T have plenty of bug fixes that would be buffs. The tiger could get LfK NG or a working Osiris. The Eurofighter could get HOPE/HOSBO. So I think there’s enough unique stuff to buff top tier Germany in some capacity so we don’t need more copy and paste.
Or as I’ve said just nerf overperforming LDIRCM. When an entire tech trees viability in the meta is completely dependent on one type of vehicle then maybe that vehicle should just be realistically nerfed instead of fighting fire with fire.
There’s no replacement for attack helis in Germany they are dead and considered a waste of money
well here is to hope germany gets the spanish had block 2
at this point i see that as more likely then the UHT getting the armament its missing.
at least with the HAD block 2 , we would have the missing armament