Yeah been the age old question why they just don’t add smoke that blocks mmW.
I don’t necessarily think they should be permanently denied for either of these reasons.
But I do think they should remain temporarily denied until everyone has SPAA / SAM systems capable of adequately defending the team against them (and/or the platforms launching them).
Really hard to justify adding any more nutty A2G munitions right now when ground is already on life support against current CAS.
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This argument needs to stop it is lazy and has no bearing on it’s implementation if anything it makes the addition more viable because of the risk.
They only real issue with it but then again you have the tiger out here slinging SPIKES like it’s cool from cover aswell.
They only real valid argument against 114Ls is they can ignore smoke and how fast you can riple them off. But then again I can riple off spikes left and right quickly so that only leaves ignore smoke.
Yeah im sure people will like getting killed by missile spam with no required target verification when we could force one and make the missile actually not hated by war thunder ground players
Not 16 in seconds, not from behind cover, the person firing needs to find the targets by eye and is unlikely to teamkill and also can be decoyed by driving through trees (and was it smoke too)
It isn’t the equivalent as blindly spamming 16 hellfires, actually from behind real cover with only a small fcr visible at kilometers against random ground targets and it won’t care about trees, it won’t care about smoke and the pilot doesn’t even need to find you with eyes because you will appear in automatically scanning radar
So, either limited hellfire for now or unlimited one after aps is more common and chaff smoke has been added
Does Hungarian one carry ATGMs?
Perhaps, but KH-38s and AASMs are here. Im sure the US will get AGM-84 SLAM sooner rather than later. There is little options for 3 nations and their top tier aircraft besides MMW, not too mention most nations top tier Helis getting FnF.
So something has got to change soon, because its really annoying currently.
(Especially for those such as myself that dont really care about GRB and just want to destroy Sim Convoys with a volley of Brimstones in the Tornado Gr4)
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Maybe slam would come. It is strong in a sense that you can be fully safe from spaa and also fire it from your airfield however spaa units shouldn’t have hard time countering them unless if you fire many of them and idk how they will model the datalink
Unless if they wont
Wrong because the FLIR its above the rotors like the LONGBOW.
As I said the only valid thing stopping 114Ls is the amoke right?
Please never bring this up again cause as I stated the tiger can sit behind cover and use it’s imager.
As I stated before the only reason I AM opposed to 114Ls being added is because you can fire 16 hellfires at a multitude of targets quickly.
This whole statment “WhAT aBOuT FrIEndLy FIrE” is pointless and annoying.
If SLAM has a remote control type mode, they wont model it.
AJ168 has something similar IRL (in fact it was the only control mode IRL) but in game its just TV guided.
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Oh dear. Good thing it still isnt as problematic as hellfire for all other above mentioned reasons
Maybe because you can’t refute it very well
Maybe we will get jsows instead then
You mean the 3 times how I explained that as soon as you lock a target on the FCR the camera will slave to a blue dot telling you that is a friendly? Or you just willingly ignoring that?
Maybe, though it does enter the messy realm of “cruise missile” like weapons with very long range.
Yeah
Slam would be a cruise missile while jsow is a glide bomb
Range affected by alt and speed but still pretty long range
To be honest, i’m not entirely sure. I did lightly look into that a while back, but found it quite difficult to find anything concrete. (Certainly not helped by the fact I can neither read German or Hungarian lol).
However, we do have a long standing precedent that the snail will grant loadouts based on technical capability, regardless if an importing country actually procured or operated those munitions.
So even if it cannot be proved H145M HU actually operated AGM’s, just proving the capability to do so wasn’t removed might be enough for it to get them.
Maybe, if technical capability is still presented, they can add it.
Although anyway I’m hoping for wider Romanian representation and IAR-330 SOCAT would be a nice alternative (actually more interesting imo since it’s kinda unique).
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After Italy & France got the first Heli Spikes on their Tigers in October 2023 (Kings Of Battle), naturally annoying Israel players watching more Spikes being given to everyone but them, snail said in Q&A that Spikes for Saraph were “under consideration”.
I asked Smin that December if there was any update, but were still under consideration even then.
Then in March 2024, they add AH-60 with twice the spikes of the Tigers, leaving everyone perplexed as to what the issue with giving Saraph the same amount of Spikes as Tigers was, and it’s been radio silence on giving them to Saraph ever since.
At this point I can only assume they’re holding back on it, solely as to not make US/UK/JPN 64D players feel left behind? No idea.
Truly a bizarre saga lol.
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