16 missiles, tracked vehicle, spaa, wheeled vehicles in radar
Spam them all and youll probably kill a friendly or two. A lot of mistakes could also occur. It would be a friendly kill heavy system
Getting TK’d in sim because someone didn’t read their radar is different than your entire team getting TK’d due to indiscriminate fire.
And the reason I didn’t mention your little thing about radar identification: T-72s and Leopards are in multiple tech trees.
Unlike IFF that sends back a programmed signal, I doubt tanks are doing that.
Guys. What’s the difference between the 114 Bravo and the Kilo?
114B not tandem, 114K tandem.
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Funny you saying that when an F-15 has IFF.
Yup… KInda the point :D
Had an F-15A lock me up, fire an Aim-7 at me all the while I knew it was a friendly so I was defending and spamming “follow me”. I defeated it, only for them to fire a second. So just let it hit me.
But that more so goes into my point it doesn’t matter if the 64D has IFF into the like Nike is saying. You need to Identify the friendlies location and then target the targets not in a friendly location.
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Yeah it does and that doesnt necessarily change just because of MMW. Im sure plenty would do the same with IR guided weapons as well
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yes here it would matter if the fcr can iff because it is unlikely that missile spammers (apart from teamkillers) would actually target a friendly. it is just that if it has no iff the people who want quick kills by spamming missiles, then going back down on helipad and continuing have high risk of teamkilling someone unintentionally (despite being dumb)
absolutely won’t support this missile if most top tier tanks don’t have aps and there is a capability to spamfire against friendlies without iff
only system i maybe support is giving target to the 114L through visual with the camera system and as a nerf (due to smoke and tree ignorance) the time the system takes to fulfill the information gathering should be a bit longer than typical
The FRC and the TADS is able to be slaved too each other. One thing we should do in game but I don’t see. You should be able to pick a target off the radar and then use the TADS for Visual ID and vise versa. Slaving the FRC to the TADS was actually how majority of 114Ls were targeted in 03.
yes but a lot of people wouldn’t bother if its optional to identify target especially because it requires exposing themselves
Your argument is over player laziness. Needing to be agumented against when nothing in thw game exists that stops that already.
Morvran already stated how he is getting team killed by of aircraft with IFF. But you are saying the FRC needs IFF so it can’t lock friendlies. The IFF doesn’t stop the locking of friendly aircraft it helps with IDing friend and foe. Why do we need some make shift block when the IFF you are asking for doesn’t even exist already.
Yes hes getting teamkilled intentionally however with fcr and no forced target validation there will also be a large amount of unintentional team kills and this is something no one wants
It will very much add on top of intentional teamkills
If when your target an mark on the radar and the TADS slaves over to a friendly marker and you fire. There is nothing unintentional about that.
TKs will always happen, from people being reckless to people just not understanding how core game mechanics work. TKs will happen.
At its very core though the question is this:
Should an entire class of weapon (MMW) be denied entry into the game just because of the potential risk that people will use them incorrectly or recklessly resulting in an increased number of TKs?
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Really hope they add the Hungarian one too.
Would love to put a helicopter in my HU lineup, but man, I really dislike Hinds lol.
Well like i said a lot of people will be utilizing the fcr from behind cover and probably from the longer ranges because they dont want to be killed
Or people are just greedy and launch a lot of missiles
16 missiles from behind cover with no forced validation in span of seconds with no iff can be dangerous especially in a developed battlefield even if theyre not malicious and instead just lazy
They shouldn’t be banned however they should be restricted to forced target validation as long as aps isn’t more common on top tier
There is no reason to allow people to launch 16 hellfires in seconds against no iff radar targets
Also because if they fire from behind cover it will be very much too difficult to kill by spaa
Spam your missiles in seconds, go rearm, spam again…
All while when youre done firing missiles youre able to lower yourself before spaa missiles can reach you
From my understanding that isn’t what is holding mmw weapons back feom coming. It is the ability to ignore smoke.
FRC locks target> target is over blue dot> fire anyway.
Yeah I see how being 8kms away will make that hard to tell the difference.
It was one of the core points they highlighted when they denied Brimstones their MMW Seeker and one people seem to hide behind more than any other for some reason.
Imo, out of all the reasons they gave for denying MMW, their ability to ignore smoke is the only one I actually hold legitamcy for. That being said, there is smoke designed to counter MMW, so it really should be all that hard to address (and there is the whole situation with the potency of IOG as well)
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