I mean they could just make them IR like PARs or something.
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Artificially nerf it and make it only IR…easy
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Or they could not give it a fake system just because a bunch of people demand they shove it into the game.
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I don’t think you realise just how much of an escalation this would be.
Mmw brimstone, to pick an example, with IFF, would be 18 or whatever free kills you don’t even need to aim for, at ranges of up to 80km or whatever absurd range.
It’s no fun getting blown up by Kh-38MT, but at least that person had to actually see you and aim at you. Plus it’s not trivial to fly around just outside AA range and just inside lockable range.
Whatever you think of the above, the fact Brimstone would basically let you dump 18 missiles at no risk to you, then waiting to see how many kills you got, would be insane.
Big point here is that MMW IFF missiles present 0 risk to the user. Spray and pray, see if you get lucky.
That’s an unprecedented escalation to just have weapons that require basically no aiming and which can be fired without any risk, which also ignore smoke or other non-active countermeasures or active SPAA.
Even if you limit it to 4 missiles or whatever, limit the range, IFF alone means you don’t have to aim.
Without IFF it just becomes teamkill central.
What’s the actual way you can implement MMW radar that isn’t atrocious?
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Again, you are looking ONLY at mode 3 operation. Mode 2 operation would not have this long range FnF LOAL capability.
Also, again, you are operating as if we’d obviously have access to all 18. When we have said many times about adding an alternative method of quantity mitigation.
So instead of 18x missiles that can be fired from 40-60km at a general area. What if instead the typhoon had 6x AGMs that could be fired at a specific point using IOG, but to hit a moving target needed a laser lock until it went active about 5km from the target, would that be overwhelming OP?
I’d only really want mode 3 for ASB, so if gamemode specific weapons could be added, then awesome,.but if not, I’d make mode 2 work.
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Ahem.
Right. IDK what cone of vision the seeker head has or how much area it can scan at 5km range, so excuse my ignorance on that matter.
But wouldn’t it be quite easily possible to, say, point the laser near some smoke someone popped, and just let the radar detect them and get a kill?
I know you will say Kh-38MT can try and splash someone, but again the difference here is you’d need to guess well in order to splash, whilst MMW IFF will just ignore the smoke and directly hit.
Also Brimstone in this case would still be at least 40km.
So sure, me in my Typhoon with 4-6 Brimmies will just be slowly prowling around 30km from targets, picking them off one by one with absolutely nothing they can do.
If the seeker head has a large cone of visions at 5km, then you can just spam 2 at each major map point, like roads or whatever bottlenecks and see yourself get 3 kills per flight.
The important thing here is, Kh-38MT for all its power, is defeated by a simple smoke grenade or cover.
Brimmies loft above cover and ignore smoke.
Should be clear which is worse to get hit by.
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The whole Brimstone situation is beyond stupid. We should have a menu for swapping the seeker in-game similar to how the seeker mode can be swapped on some SPAA’s like the Strela. And if Gaijin doesn’t want full LOAL capability in ground battles then they could simply disable certain modes. But no, instead we basically get hellfires on aircraft. (Meanwhile Russia gets a missile that didn’t exist and is still wildly OP)
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But that is the exact same though. I’ve been killed dozens of times through smoke by a KH-38MT even when moving and changing direction to throw off the IOG and the continued denial of ANY FnF weapon for the Typhoon despite the fact that KH-38MT never existed and would still more than likely outperform even the Brimstone 2 dramatically because you still wouldnt be able to volley fire like they can and you would largely be limited to 1 target at a time still unless engage someone stationary is extremely annoying.
As is KH-38MT right now. You can fire at a fixed point and the seeker will find a target close to the IOG point and lock on. its even been documented the missile reacquiring the target if they accidentally leave smoke coverage.
So like Su-30 with KH-38MT right now?
Then give us SAL+GPS Spear-3s if this is such a major issue then. Because its stupid we are artificially limited with 0 FnF AND the weakest possible variant of the Brimstone.
Im sorry, but they HAVE to add MMW or add a placeholder seeker instead of MMW because denying 3 nations FnF AGMs that actually existed for their top tier aircraft but giving the soviets a KH-38MT that never existed beyond a mock-up is just deeply unfair and shows clear bias
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Yup. And the fact we are artificially limited to Brimstone 1s instead of 2s as well is just a further slap in the face. I think at this point its pretty clear they are artificially nerfing the Typhoon loads out of spite.
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Lucking you splash someone by guessing where they’ll be by the time your missile travels 30km is nothing like your missile locking through smoke after travelling 25km.
None of your following example acknowledge the difference between IR seekers happening to lock a target near enough to your point VS a missile that actively seeks a radar lock in a wide cone 5km from the targeted point.
Even your laser + radar idea would basically mean you don’t have to guess anything, since you can update the location of your target.
If you can’t see how much more powerful that is, there’s really nothing to discuss.
A bias towards making the game playable.
If they’d just have dumped 18 brimstone MMW F&F 60km missiles, the game would be completely ruined.
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Then remove KH-38MT then. Its stupidly unfair they can fire off 6x Missiles from triple the range of any non-soviet SPAA and get 6 kills relaibly
Then give the Typhoon the BRIMSTONE 2s IT ACTUALLY USED.
If we are going to be artificially limited to SAL only then give us a decent SAL only weapon. What we have is a missile with 10-15km range at the moment meanwhile the soviets are firing off missile from 40km reliably and yet that is considered balanced.
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IDK if Kh-29TE/D or whatever is good enough to keep up with AGM-65D/F or whichever.
I think what’s done is done.
It is unfortuante that nations are limited by their kit. I think this obsession over realism leads to detrimental scenarios. Even their weird SAL limited thing is a product of that.
I don’t know why Gaijin are being slow to act on the platter of bug reports about Brimstone underperforming in a lot of ways.
I think once those things are fixed, we would understand why they were so hesitant in the first place.
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Then add Brimstone 2s or 3s then. There is no possible argument for 6x KH-38MTs that never existed to be acceptable and yet the Typhoon denied Brimstone 2s that it did actually use (it never used Brimstone 1s)
Thats the Typhoon. STR, ITR, Top speed, Acceleration, loadout, radar, DASS, CMs, there isnt a single aspect of the Typhoon that isnt underperforming significantly at the moment.
But for the extra range, we need Brimstone 2s, not the 1s we have at the moment.
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Comparing 6x IR + IOG missiles with 18x LOAL ones that ignore smoke makes no sense.
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Instead, just give the U.S. the AH-64E with Spikes.
Please state where I did that.
I was comparing 6x IR+IOG+Huge Warhead with 6x MMW+Tiny warhead
Mode 2 Brimstone 2s would have no greater LOAL ability than KH-38MTs alreayd have now.
The MMW will barely have greater ability to ignore smoke than KH-38MT already have with IOG and its warhead.
So 6x MMW (Mode 2) Brimstone 2s vs 6x KH-38MTs would be equal. In fact, id actually give the advantage to the KH-38MT still because Brimstone 2 would still be forced to engage 1 target at a time and the KH-38Mt can still kill 6 targets within seconds at 30km with absolutely impunity.
I know you are a soviet cope main that thinks KH-38MT is the weakest AGM in the game and needs buffs. But doesnt mean everyone else has to be artificially nerfed through the floor to ensure that KH-38MT remains undefeated.
I cant wait for the soviet mains to be shot down by CAMM-ERs soon. Will be hilarous watching them beg for better AGMs
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and what about everyone else?
No idea.
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Thats kinda the problem.
Britain for example, at this moment in time. Is AGM-114L or JAGM.
We could get SAL-brimstone 2/3s on the AH-64E as they were trialled, but thats about it.
THere is a slim hope for a doc being found to confirm an IR seeker on the Martlet, but that hasnt been found yet.
This is why MMW or an MMW-Placeholder was required yesterday.
Probably wouldn’t suffice but did they ever mount the Maverick to anything like the U.S. did?