AGM balance: Discussion with intent to replace Kh-38 and similar weapons with balanced Munitions

i dont suppose you have any other annoyingly unbalanced AGMs in mind?

The Martels on board French aircraft are only the anti-radar versions; the TV-guided version has never been purchased.

Otherwise, to be honest, France currently has all its air-to-ground missiles on its planes.(even some that they shouldn’t have)

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Only other one that jumps to mind is the year ISH old report for Harrier Gr7 to get AGM-65s on the outer pylons bringing their total up to 6, if that counts

Or AJ168 getting a totally fictional guidance method

yeah ive read abt that.its supposed to be MITL but in WT its TV guided lol

otherwise mavericks rlly arent OP imo, just need better SPAA overall

but compatible regardless?

lol which ones

Probably down to whether the data-link pods are compatible rather than the missiles.

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No, not even, the system is not at all the same for shooting, the way the TV-guided Martel works requires a lot of electronics

PGMs are weapons used on export Mirages but have never been tested or fired by French Mirages and otherwise the 2000D RMV should not have access to the AASM

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Yeah, I always considered the F-16s good CAS not because of the AGM-65s they carried but because of the quantity, platform handling and multirole ability. On anything I have with them like the GR7, I barely touch them

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ive seen a mirage F-1 mount a Kh-29L once…

especially when, suppose on the F-4F, you get only 2 for the same price as an F-4E get 6 of them

Iraqui variant, not french, the Iraquian heavily modified there Mirage

Yeah, quantity based SP costs would be huge and how I would balance FnF Brimstones

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I have no idea why this is still not in game, but Kh-38 is.

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would have to rely on buddy lasing though, i dont recall it having any TGP

a shame that feature hasnt been implemented still

well honestly, these are scarcely known and trialled weapons not rlly put into widespread service

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I’m indifferent, I have no issues facing the Kh-38. Additionally I would like to see those Kh-25s too tho.

thats fair, although cant say we agree on the 38s lol

In an ideal world the KH-38MT wouldn’t have made it to the game, KH-38ML is fine as a Brimstone (SAL) counterpart, they force the player to engage single targets, increase the skill ceiling for CAS and fairness for those on the ground. I’m actually happy they went with SAL guidance from Brimstones, it makes gameplay, fun and satisfying, KH-38MT on the other hand takes no skill, and it’s always a guaranteed kill, where is the fun in that?

Either remove the IR guided version of KH-38 or give Brimstones its full capabilities, albeit with a limited amount of FnF and no limit on SAL.

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It was likely an over correction after the addition of the SAP-HE and IR guided mavs alongside killing multiple birds with one stone as out of one general missile you were originally getting two agms and two glidebombs which overall is alot less work for 3d modelling. IMO we could have gotten this (IR kh-25s) over a year ago and the IR kh-29s.

As for FnF brimstones and other ARH A2G munitions im happy for them to stay out of the game till gaijin reworks radar modelling and adds both ECM and natural interference because the complaining about CAS rn is bad enough i dont even want to think about the ire KH-25MA/E, KH-29MP or KH-38MA would bring.

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Because unlike Kh-38, Kh-25MT/MTP never made it past the prototyping stage at best. (Along with every other weapon for Russia mentioned in this post)

Issue is with Russia, there’s no gap filler between Kh-29 and Kh-38 that actually exists. All the projects that could’ve worked as a gap filler, were either cancelled or only proposed for export if someone bought it to fund the actual development of it (Zhuk-A/AM/MiG-35 Syndrome)

Hell, to be honest its an issue with any kind of weaponry in game, nations will develop different things to fit different needs or to fulfill some kind of contract, you can’t really “standardize the performance military weaponry” (without ahistorically nerfing it ala Magic II) for the sake of WT to make everything balanced…

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I don’t think Kh-29MP has ever existed no? also Kh-38MA is an active homing seeker, ie its meant for Anti-Shipping, not SEAD iirc