AGM-114L MMW guidance

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What are the chances of getting the AGM-114L Hellfire with actual MMW guidance? I am aware that gaijin said that they would be too powerful, because they can’t be countered by smoke, but what if they made smoke impervious to millimeter wave radar? We already have helis that can carry up to sixteen fnf missiles capable of one-shotting tanks. It’s not like it would be the first time they jeopardized realism in favour of “balance” or just straight up laziness. Just to name a few flagrant discrepancies:

  • Paper missiles (KH - 38MT)
  • Versions of missiles that never existed (single mode Brimstone, JAGM)
  • 360° DIRCM (coding laziness)
  • Ordnance that is yet to reach IOC (JAGM-MR)
  • Ordnance missing (AIM-9X, JAGM on AH-1Z etc.)
  • ATAS missing variant definition

At the current point a helicopter like the AH-64D with it’s Longbow radar is pretty much indifferent to any other Hellfire carrier, the radar being pretty abysmal and useless.

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the missile exists, the seeker may or may not

added for balance, those missiles have non-loal modes which they are implemented as, because loal would be miserable to play against

irrelevant

also irrelvant, what missiles stuff gets is up to gaijin for balancing discretion and to keep vehicles that serve different purposes at different BRs

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0.001%

the whole reason we have 16km JAGM MRs with a none production tri-seeker with IR guidance is Gaijins dogmatic belief 114Ls would be unfair

because you can smoke IR
therefore IR is fair you see

unrelated question for other tank players: how many times have you consciously smoked to defend yourself against Kh-38/LMUR?

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i dont think thats what it is, im like 80% sure its because of the possibility of loal/nlos launch

why only bring up kh38/lmur? jagm, spike, pars, spice and agm65 all exist too?

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because they’re the most likely to blow you up in 1 hit unlike Spike/Pars/Jagm

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so? not being aware of them is still an issue and agm65 and spice bombs exist too

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because you will smoke and repair if you don’t die

fine I’ll rephrase it for your russian victim complex

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Have you even read my post? How is the JAGM-MR being fired only a few times in testing irrelevant? So in your mind gaijin should add every single weapon that was fired in testing but never fielded? Where did i mention LOAL mode? I specifically mentioned MMW as LOBL guidance, similar to TV ro IR seekers we have in-game?

So exactly what I said?

Irrelevant to my argument, I was mentioning the lack of combined seekers especially regarding the version-split JAGM.

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just because adding a way to have a seeker change modes before or during flight is too hard for gaijin ig (to be fair it probably would be very hard)

they already do? like we have so many prototype vehicles and weapons that never saw actual service in this game

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I get your point but that still doesn’t narrow it down, you can look through the bug reports and will find dozens if not hundreds of different missiles, bombs, rockets, pylons, version of already added weapons, some obscure modifications etc.

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always a bad idea, 90% of bug reports are useless, i do not envy the bug report managers

and in the grand scheme of things, i think the jagm is one of the least offensive incomplete projects that has been added to this game

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Just to name a few important ones:

This report was literally compiled in around 10 minutes, hundreds of such reports could be found.
As you can see they are not even able to update the game based on verifiable and correct sources so they should really stick to building upon and fixing the weapons we have in-game instead of adding a dozen new ones.

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oh yeah i dont doubt there are bugs, but randomly browsing the cbr site is just saddening

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i smoke when i see the missile in the killfeed

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“Ryaaaaa, USSR doesn’t have any alternative!!!” ©Gaijin

Because damage.

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Kh-38MT is inferior to MMW seekers, especially after LOAL gets added where Kh-38MT’s lock range drops from 14km to 1.5km.

Comparing superior technology to inferior technology is silly.

Just be patient. Demanding more CAS powercreep when we already have LMURs and AGM-179s is silly.

70% of the time or more.

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many times

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?

MMW doesn’t have that great of a seeker either. The Longbow Missile only has a ~3km range, and the Brimstone only 2km or so as per;

“ADA471298, The Who, What, Where and When of Radar Targeting”

So it’s not actually that much of an improvement if you ignore the launch Platform / supporting sensors & INS/GPS and only consider the terminal seeker.

And account for the actual performance of Electro-Optical missiles being overstated significantly CCD & IIR are roughly correct.

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so still a fake?

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Even if it wasn’t the documentation provided would only make it barely useful against Ships, Facilities and if charitable, Bunkers & Fortifications. It’s more than 16x worse (NEΔK of .270 and requires 16 grey levels to retain a target) than a WGU-10 (IIR maverick seeker) in terms of required resolution.