Didn’t even mention that Israeli Chaparral have the worst SPAA modules grind in the entire game:
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Rly? I didnt notice a diffrent between the missile?
The 72e doesnt have irccm?
It doesn’t. In stock it is just American Chaparral, but with +1.0 BR. By the way, FlaRakRad got VT-1 as stock missile, but Israeli Chaparral can’t receive MIM-72G for some reason. In it’s current state - it is unplayable.
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IDF Chaparal is 10.0, FlakRakRad is 11.7, so one is going to get better missiles.
The problem with the Chaparal is, the only visible difference between the two SAM’s it gets is a smokeless engine and IRCCM,
the Chaparal has the highest cost at 900+ SL per shot for a 16.5G missile, with 720 m/s, its faster then Stinger, Roland, but slower then Mistral, Strela, with iirc the biggest HE payload.
The vehicle also carries 12 missiles, with 4 ready to fire.
Another problem is that there is no line up at 10.0, Sabra at 9.7 and premium 2D, or uptier the hell out of it with the Merkava 3 series and possible RA’AM Segol.
it doesnt
both are bugged
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Its no longer have smokeless notor btw so ppl just see the missile and turn
Have I ever mentioned that the Israeli Chaparral (known as Drakon) in WT is fiction? It is a complete copy-paste.
In reality it used a completely different FLIR module AND it has access to an FN MG for the commander.
Here are the photos and the reports:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/viYq9d6N8xZD
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/bStNbafhhqfc
Might I also add that the report on the wrong FLIR module had been made during the devserver period of the vehicle’s introduction? It was more than a year ago.
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Is Jane’s not a reliable source for these types of things?
Ever since the early 2000s they started just… making things up
1080p：not today
trickzzter：not a bug
Gaijin: Doesn’t care about Israel because nobody plays it
Players: Don’t play Israel because Gaijin doesn’t care about it
The only reason that they added the Namer is because they already had the Namer hull in the game and it would be a cheap way to add a 400k rp vehicle with very little cost
Without even fixing its armor mind you
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might be a controversial opinion. Israel should’ve been a sub-tree (only unique vehicles and not copy pastes)
Too big to be a sub-tree
There’s around as many ground vehicles there’s in game currently that are unique domestic designs (Not counting Rank 1-3)
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yeah, your right. I just feel like these vehicles would’ve been played a lot more if it was a subtree. Then again, adding good vehicles that are modeled correctly would solve a lot of problems
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Gonna have to bust out Ofekk213’s wonderful Concept Tree again :
Isreal has more than enough unique, potential additions to justify it’s place as an independent tech tree.
Problem is, snail is just allergic to adding any of it. And the rare times they do, they botch the living daylights out of it (See Namer, Sholef & Merkava’s). Things like Spyder, HVSD/ADAMS, Eitan, Pereh, Hafiz etc would all be absolute W additions, but they take more effort than just slapping a new composite / ERA pack on a Magach for the… 15th? 16th? time lol.
That’s not to say i don’t want all the Magachs / Tirans etc, i do, but… Unique and more importantly needed stuff should be first priority. The entire tree has a chronic shortage of auxiliaries - and unique things exist to fill those gaps.
But back to the topic of this thread, Just about every Israeli ‘Main’ i’ve seen this past year, has been near unanimous in their belief that a top AA should be our number 1 priority addition. How the snail has failed this for five major updates, and we go into 2025, still with Machbet as our best system… It feels so far beyond unfair that i’m at a loss for words.
We seen so much uproar a few years ago when Japan was stuck with Type-93. Snail even went out of their way in a Q&A to specifically acknowledge it, and promise something better was coming. Yet us, today, years after the fact - when CAS at top tier is infinitely more powerful than it was then, stuck with a system EVEN WORSE than Type-93… and they just ghost our pleas for something better. By now my frustration has subsided into despondence.
It’s a depressing state of affairs, when Namer’s Spikes are unironically the most useful SAM’s in the tech tree.
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I am trying to bring some attention to the Chaparral (Drakon) and its poor state right now.
I made this thread to collect the more important bug reports and problems.
If anyone feels like commenting it would be appreciated.
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Israel barely has copy and paste in its ground tree.
Its sarcastic?
Cuz tbh u have the all early magachs that are cp and the shot and the first tiran and tiran 6
They need to do something, top tier is nearly dead with less than half full matches, not caused by the ground vehicles but getting constantly killed by some plane that we can’t even see, it has become to easy for cas players to dominate the game, a little fox 3 action should help balance it out.