The opinion of Gaijin is HQ11 has combined radar and launching system on 1 vehicle. Take a example of BUK, it also combined an ESA radar on the launching vehicle, it can continue battling without searching radar. So the additional vehicles should be removed.
The reason why HQ11 called “system” is not because it is a single platform, its a combination as well as the BUK. So remove the additional BUK system’s vehicle seems fair and reasonable due to this opinion
Also, there is TADS/TELAR for China which is not combined in one platform like the HQ16A
At what time? LD2000 is in the system, beside of that data link is not new in China, it can be a set
Also, the enviroment in top tier is another fact, there is no a proper top tier AA for China in serveral Version since the multi vehicle introduced
Oh btw they both 12.7 just top tier BR
Even they add LD2000, still missing an additional vehicle compare with the other multi vehicle systems. There is dedicated radar vehicle in China and can be easily combined into the systems, Gaijin just choose to ignore it
HQ-11 features both the launch/guidance vehicle seen in game, similar to the BUK one, but also a launcher vehicle similar to the BUK.
Full HQ-11 System
Pic 1 is pure launcher vehicle, Pic 2 is 30mm vehicle, Pic 3 is the one present in game, pic 4 is a command vehicle.
The Buk can also in theory operate a vehicle on its own but has received more vehicles in game.
PESA on BUK TELAR is better than some TAR in game, even they are the TEL reload vehicle without radar and capable of launching missiles directly for BUK. So now leading the BUK in game can easily lose its TAR and still contain surveilance and tracking ability. Mean while there is no similar vehicles in the other tech trees even they can make the similar one for BUK
Also HQ16A is a better option which should have the similar performance, they choose HQ11 make to it “fair”
your HQ11 ingame is an All-in-One system. The word “system” doesnt automatically denote multiple vehicles. SPYDER is also an air defense system and same as HQ11 it comes in AiO we got ingame or in separate launcher combination. Youre not “missing the other vehicles” because you got the AiO version of the air defense vehicle.
As for BUK, the TELARs are not the same as TADS or AiO. The PESAs are more a supplement to the actual search radar and unfortunately due to poor modelling of radars ingame the TADS is basically worthless in WT due to the slow refresh rate.
The PESAs offer limited radar coverage unlike your AiO HQ11, its not the same thing.
Now your next SPAA could either be the multivehicle version of HQ11 or something like HQ16, but the HQ11 is basically in line with other vehicles. In essence its a chinese SPYDER AiO.
The whole point is China has proper TAR TELAR systems in reality, but since the other tech tree already got the separate system for several versions, Gaijin adding 2 AA for China, neither separate. Unfortunately all in one is not positive in WT, don’t believe gaijin can’t see this.
When the other got BUK or Aster, China got CS/SA5 and now HQ11, always behind
So make it fair, BUK should remove TAR and extra TELAR as fair game play just like they treat China tech tree, even HQ11 got LD2000 in it system can be seperate
thats just flat out wrong lol. Ofcourse All-in-One systems have positives in war thunder. This is just ultra cope.
Unlike multivehicle SPAAs you dont need super long to be set up and you are harder to find (3 vehicle vs 1) by both CAS and by the tanks.
Multi vehicles have their positives and negatives too, you have more launchers so more missiles to chuck at planes and helis but losing one vehicle because of positioning will mean half your ammo is gone.
I genuinely believe from all these HQ11 posts that you guys could have gotten an SPAA that fires nuclear air to air missiles that instantly kill everything in the air and you would somehow still find something to cry about.
And trying to paint CSSA5 as somehow a bad SPAA when infact its compact, less schizophrenic and still more than effective than other systems at its BR is genuinely hilarious. At some point i really wonder how much is people making objective critique on implemented chinese vehicles and how much is just biased “my vehicles arent the best in the game so i will make it everyones problem”
So? All in one system cause you direct die there no other half ammo need to worry. If they make only the BUK separate and the other else all in one who you gonna cry?
Separate now means extra life in game l2p
