If it got the AIM-9L it would have to go up in BR, staying at 12.0 with it is just too much and as I’ve said before I really don’t think going up by .03 in its current state would be a bad thing. It’s already one of the most dominate jets at the BR and iirc it has a positive win and KD which is crazy for a premium jet in one of the most popular nations at a BR that can be tricky for new players says a lot about it.
That may have been true when it was released a couple of years ago, but the game has changed completely since then. You’re talking about the F-4S, and I didn’t really want it to receive AIM-9Ls because the addition of the extra countermeasures already makes it a pretty capable jet, and it completely overshadows the F-4J.
I do have an issue with the full missile load, which is why I suggested giving the F-4J only two AIM-9Ls. The F-4J has a horrible stock grind and doesn’t perform nearly as well as the F-4S. Giving it two AIM-9Ls would help it compete in a rapidly changing environment that’s increasingly dominated by stronger premium aircraft.
As time goes on, you’ll see fewer F-4 Phantoms and more F/A-18s because of the sales, which means even more uptiers. Those two AIM-9Ls would give the F-4J a fighting chance and make the stock grind far more bearable without pushing the aircraft into being overpowered.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
The solution isn’t to make everything fighting the F-4S suffer it’s to decompress the BRs. Why do you want the make the situation at 11.0 and the surrounding BRs even more unbearable.
For the love of God, please stop and actually read what I’m saying instead of arguing against a straw man. I said the F-4J, not the F-4S. Are you intentionally being this dense? I’m asking for two AIM-9Ls on the F-4J, not four. Holy moly. At this point, I can practically hear your knuckles dragging across the floor.
Sorry, I read the words you posted then replied to them instead of insulting you.
Neither should get a buff as they are still better then what they fight.
Don’t lie to yourself, you haven’t read any of my points. And while we’re at it, the countermeasures bug report was accepted.
You also kept bringing up the F-4S, even though I never said it should get AIM-9Ls in the first place. My suggestion was for the F-4J, not the F-4S. The F-4J is already overshadowed because the F-4S has better flight performance, and you don’t have to suffer through a miserable stock grind with it. Giving the F-4J two AIM-9Ls would actually give players a reason to grind and play the aircraft instead of ignoring it.
as much freedom brining 2x AIM-9Ls would bring to the F-4J, down the road this very same topic would come up as something like “why doesn’t the F-4J get 4xAIM-9L”, now as is with the current BR system in place the F-4J wouldn’t need to go up in BR as then it would be the same or more similar BR to the F-15As while having all around lesser equipment outside of HMSs, so i don’t see a reason on limiting the amount of 9Ls it could bring, as even those missiles can be hit or miss sometimes with how they often decide to go after teammates instead of hostiles with how flare hungry they can get
Why? F4 vs su30 is fair in your eyes? Any competent mig23 can kill an f4j
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Two is just the beginning. Once people see that giving it only two Sidewinders doesn’t have a huge impact, they’ll probably start introducing four later on.
At the end of the day, you’ll still be able to carry five Fox 1 missiles. Hopefully, these changes will come alongside adjustments to other aircraft so everything stays on a level playing field.
The only thing left to do would be moving the Kurnass 2000 and the EJ Kai down to 12.0, and it would feel a lot like playing old top tier again.
You also wouldn’t have to worry as much about downtiers, since more and more 11.0 aircraft are being equipped with all aspect missiles.
honestly, i think ive only used the 5xAIM-7s and 2xAIM-9s like once on the J, and never on the S, as with sparrows if you can’t really get your nose around and get a decent lead for when they go active then there isn’t really a reason to carry them to me, so i always use the 4xAIM-7 4xAIM-9s although i haven’t flown any of the Js/Ss, as the C is my favorite to fly
The c is completely different to the other phantoms especially the S and J
They need to fix a lot of the phantoms in the game
Except the F-4E, because it’s perfect at 11.3
(Except it ought to have a late variant with the F-4F cockpit (which is more accurate for the type of weapons the F-4E we currently have carries), 9L, 7F, and pave spike / tack with LGBs and AGM-65D/Gs
I was thinking of adding the F-4D to replace the F-4E at 11.3, then reworking the F-4E into a later production block with improved missiles and air to ground weapons. The upgraded F-4E could sit at 12.0, while the F-4D fills the 11.3 spot. This would modernize the F-4E without adding another copy paste aircraft to the game.
I’d rather the 11.3 F-4E stay where it’s at, maybe add the F-4D foldered in with the F-4C at 10.7/11.0
And then folder the F-4E/Late in at 11.7.
The F-4E late model, (DMAS, or ARN-101, or whatever) is almost what the F-14B is to the F-14A.
An almost generational gap of improvements to weapons systems, navigation equipment, multi-sensor integration (slaving AGM-65D/G to Pave-Tack LOS, Pave Tack and TISEO LOS slaving to radar and vice versa)
and ive flown and spaded the 3 tech tree ones and the F-4S, and the C of the 4 is the most enjoyable to fly, at no point did i compare them, only mentioned that the C was my favorite to fly, as it is also my most flown, but i do end up flying all the phantoms mostly the same, only real difference is what alt i sit at when i do the initial climb
You literally replied to me and said that “these aircraft” would need to get AIM-9M and AIM-7M to go up BR. You have an option in your poll that asking if they should get it.
The F-4S should go up, it doesn’t need AIM9Ms to make that happen.
I also don’t think the J needs AIM-9Ls. It’s fine as is and if it got them it should also go up.
You’re either rage baiting, strawmanning every point I make, or you genuinely don’t understand what I’m saying.
I don’t want that to happen. I was using it as an example of what the aircraft could receive if it were moved up in BR to keep it balanced and competitive.
This suggestion isn’t about giving the aircraft AIM-9Ms and AIM-7Ms.
Having read this again, your logic makes even less sense. The F-4S and F-4J just aren’t that strong anymore, especially in the current meta, where more and more aircraft at and around this battle rating are receiving better missiles.
We’re probably not going to agree on this. I think your opinion comes from having a rough time fighting these aircraft. Ironically, giving them AIM-9Ls would actually make your own stock grind the F-4J easier.
If they added ECM even f4c would have some sort of ECM antenna