ADATS, what Gaijin got wrong

Going back to the topic, I really hope the ADATS does get updated to reflect these changes. Though some mechanics need to be completely reworked or changed in order for this to happen.

But I have some questions.


Radar can track up to 10 targets at once (like pantsir) Uses TADS/PNVS system
Radar should work in all weather conditions at maximum range

So I just want to clarify. The ADATS search radar is supposed to be a search/track radar? If not, does this mean that the ADATS’s IRST, can lock through clouds?

I’ve always assumed that the ADATS search radar was soley used for spoting targets and it’s IRST was used for tracking. Is that assumption now wrong with the facts you presented?


Laser should be able to be toggled so Adats can shoot over terrain and reacquire laser (like helicopters)

Does this mean that the MIM-146 has IOG? What is the practical use case for this and how will this look like in game?


The main features that I want to be implemented is the having the ability to track multiple targets, slewing to the radar, and having the ability to search/track through adverse weather conditions.

As of right now, it is practically impossible to intercept agms which is the biggest threat right now in top tier.

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The search radar has an ability to do TWS for 10 targets.

And brochure says the system can be used in adverse weather, so most likely could be used through clouds.

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Gotcha. I’m curious how this will be implemented. Would TWS change the scope of the radar. So instead of a 360 degree search it would be a 45 degree (where the radar wouldn’t move too much) as it would give you constant updates?

No. It would rotate like normal, but the update would be once a second.
I do not know anything about ADATS having sector scan.

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The best way to imagine it would be. The radar will be unchanged, but the corner only squares will appear on up to 10 targets


So if something pinged on 210, when you would look there, a square would appear where it was, and it would be updated every second.

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I think I read somewhere it is 20. Also, do you know if the ADATS uses the X-TAR 25 search radar? Couldn’t find anything about it, but they are very similar.

From this brochure:

Spoiler


Also, ** Oerlikon Contraves AG **

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I base my data on 1990s data, so it might be slightly outdated.
I will be honest with you, i failed to find any info about the name of the radar. It does look simmilar, let me take a look.

Ok, it also uses dual beam (For anyone wondering, the radar splits the search beam vertically into 2, they are active at the same time, and it helps radar determine at what elevation the target it, so if a target can be seen only in the top beam, it is in the absolute top, as the target goes lower the lower beam starts to detect it, when it is in the same strength in both beams it means it is exactly in the middle, and as the target starts going down, return from the top beam gets weaker), but ADATS radar is know to be 25, so considering technlogy and design it might be a radar from the same family.
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Another thing connecting the 2 can be the fact, that MMEV (ATADS evolution) would be using X-TAR3D, so a nice coincidence.
X-TAR3D
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Ooo, very nice. That makes things easier.
Well, if nto the fact that ranges now conflict. But I guess it has to do something with limited power while mounted on ADATS.

Unless the max range in the adats brochure refers to specific target detection, not instrumented range. In game instrumented range is used, so that would be a buff, but more proof (not janes, and not my books, as Gaijin was kind enough to make all 9 of them supplementary) would be needed.

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Not sure if this would be useful, but here’s the MIM-146 rocket motor performance data. This data is from AIAA 90-1862.

As a trivia, the minimum smoke propellant used in this motor is similar to those used in TOW-2, WASP, Hellfire, and Chaparral motor.

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Why is the missile twitching?

It will be, as Motor burns for 2s



But how would that data translate to in game.
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someone else should make a bug report, as if i make another one it will probably be ignored or classified as not a bug report as always

More about TWS 20 targets

Also, it says the acquisition range is “25km+”. I still think that the X-TAR25 is the radar used in the ADATS, although its brochure states 28 km max. range. Well, one day we’ll find out

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https://web.archive.org/web/20050211104455/http://www.oerlikon.ca:80/en/products/arme/adats_specs.htm

I guess that will be a hit. The range will be kind of conflicting, but i will work around it.
Can you link me up the whole brochure?

That is like the ugliest and the simplest manufacturer page i have ever seen

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Ok, got it myself


Will work on G pull and Radar once im back home

MIM 146 incorrect G pull
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/bV3p1UrBSOcv

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Apparently, the missile is modeled with a booster and a sustainer. Using this spreadsheet as a base, it seems to be the case for the MIM-146. In real life, the MIM-146 does not have a sustainer. It is just a solid rocket motor that burns for 3s

I belive this would be the sustainer in action (?)

I will try to report this later