I’m not sure how TWS works IRL, wouldn’t it give you enough information like bearing, altitude and such where if the sight where to slew, it would already be looking at it and the gunner just needs to lock onto it?
TWS also mean Track While Scan which basically allow multiple tracking(basically lock on to) while also scanning for other target, it would be more “lethal” and better than STT(Single Target Tracker) but less accurate
It slews in azimuth, and in elevation. While in azimuth it is precise, in elevation it is either top or bottom sector. This allows the gunner to simply aquire the target using wide FoV right after it is handed to him.
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Okay, that is still the gunner searching in elevation, and the way it usually works is that you detect in WFOV, then you accuire in NFOV where you define a small part of the image as the target you would lile to track. It is not going to automatically snap to the target like a radar tracking system where the track radar does the searching and acqsition. This is the “low cost” nature of the ADATS, that you mannually have to lock on.
This is why they removed it; it worked like radar tracking, could track things you could not see.
This was temporary. Radar and EO were both in its infancy back then. I believe it could see through hard cover as well. Eventually they made EO not be able to look through any obscuration and radar to get partially affected by trees as well. Nowadays EO is also heavily affected by weather, so its not nearly as strong as back then.
3rd person lock is can also be seen as your operator doing the search for you. They can also make it take a bit longer to complete the search than it used to be to make it more realistic. Especially required at least if they ever get around modelling the multi beam scanning of the search radar, as without 3rd person locking ability you can’t use the elevation data (unless you’re painstakingly manually keeping track if a target gets updated on your radar screen in the low or high beam).
It might not actually matter as much, manual searching can be pretty fast and I feel the 3rd person locking would fail most of the time anyway. But it would at least still be able to snap to the precise azimuth (azimuth only slewing seems to be possible already judging from the code), which is pretty handy.
If it has E/O track then why can’t it show possible E/O targets?
From the page “passive automatic E/O target tracking”
Sure sounds like it should have visualization like the pantsir.
Passive automatic E/O tracking means that
passive - Camera tracking does not emit
automatic - after locing system tracks by itself, not needing input from the gunner
This is how it looks like
it does not have an ability to multitrack like pantsir, and it does not have a feature that would allow for placing markers over targets pantsir style afaik
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Why? Nothing in a prospective dual-loop tracking system actually prevents multiple targets from being tracked within the field of regard of the sensor.
Sure it only has one laser emitter so can only designate a single target at a time but nothing should stop additional targets from being tracked and being able to slew between them as needed (e.g. similar to Priority / Secondary, cued Target sort-slew, or Hunter-Killer systems in tanks), especially since we know that it is a feature of Airborne APG-66s.
Do we know what the Situation Display (B-Scope) even looks like for the ADATS? As additional data may be displayed there.
“it does not have an ability to multitrack like pantsir”
Actually it does with the radar → E/O track target upload that’s in the video above.
In the video it shows multiple targets on the radar screen all numbered and the officer sending the target data to the E/O operator to get visual confirmation.
That is Search Radar TWS. Not tracker TWS.
The search radar can indeed preform TWS (10 targets US, 20 CAN). However it does not have an tracking radar constantly scanning the sky. Therfore it does not have a pantsir like system. When TWS is introduced to search radars, it should gain acces to squares like that. But as of now, no.
Afaik the centroid auto tracked of adats can track one thing at a time.
Maybe ADATS is in luck.
Gaijin just teased new SAMs, one of which seems to the a IRIS-T SLS vehicle. The vehicle in particular seems to be a swedish variant which uses the BvS10 platform and mounts the Giraffe 1X radar. This radar seems to have tracking abilities while the vehicle itself lacks a dedicated tracking radar/optics I think, so it may get TWS functionality. Perhaps ADATS (and any others who are missing it) will get TWS too.
Technically this isn’t really new anyway. airborne radars perform TWS anyway in search mode, they can only also go into STT is the difference.
Thats what they should do.
But watch them just give it no gunner sight and force you to 3rd person with the IR missile lock circle.
I will cry. One of the nice things with IRIS-Ts is the LOAL using datalink, so it better be implemented and TWS is the only way here. Else weather is going to grief this thing’s lock range pretty hard potentially (looking at how ADATS’ IRST fails to lock on a lot of the time).
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You realize the adats console setup and the information it provides is almost identical to what the pantsir console and the information it provides right?
Yes. The difference is tracker mechanic and in game implementation. Pantsir track radar preforms search pattern itself, stripe by stripe. That way it searches for and tracks, iirc 8 targets at once.
And that is implemented in game. ADATS E/O does not have a feature like that. Only search radar of ADATS does.
Therfore it does not have a feature like that, and untill TWS for search radar is implemented, ADATS won’t get the boxes.
I suppose we will get something like the SLAMRAAM or the 9X on the Humvee??
How would that cope with the IRIS-T SAM?
It wouldn’t have a radar, would it? So it would use the good ol’ Eye Mk1
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We’ll just have to wait and see. Some form of ground launched AMRAAM was in a past (reputable) leaklist before, but so was a ground launched IRIS-T “for US apparently”. Likely that IRIS-T thing may just have been a temporary internal test thing.
I am not even sure if the SLAMRAAM humvee works standalone at all. Though I guess it’s war thunder, but manually aiming that launcher seems a bit odd. Idk if it can even aim up or down, or if it only can get into the launch and stow position. I imagine it will get a radar though, in one way or another. Would suck a lot if not.
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