Thanks you for explaining all that to me. I am wrong on previously mentioned things.
I think what I’m trying to get at is, targets should show up in 1st and 3rd person as unlocked boxes like TWS does for fighters but you have to manually point the turret at targets to lock. Does that make sense?
Yes. They should, and for a decent chunk of SPAA in game. We lack that as of now tho. All search radars lack this ability.
Gotcha thanks! Guess I have nothing else I can add
Shhh… Russian mains will still believe pantsir is worse than .50 cal
I believe (or like to at least…) that it was a balance decision. Believe it or not, but for roughly half a year the ADATS could lock in 3rd person like tracking radars could. Optical lock SPAA were super duper powerful at that time, so I think it was a balance decision. This decision was okay back then, but after the missile rework and then the RWR rework and addition of stronger planes, I think this ability should return.
18/11/2019 changelog:
Update 18.11.2019 (1.93.1.11) - Updates - Game - War Thunder
Note the lack of source, making me believe it’s a balance decision.
As ADATS can only auto slew in azimut, it makes it more realistic that you actually have visually locate the target in the sight, like the real gunner would have to. Gaijin has just not created a mode where you only slew in azimut yet which is why you have to look at the PPI scope and orient towards the radar return and then search in elevation.
I’m not sure how TWS works IRL, wouldn’t it give you enough information like bearing, altitude and such where if the sight where to slew, it would already be looking at it and the gunner just needs to lock onto it?
TWS also mean Track While Scan which basically allow multiple tracking(basically lock on to) while also scanning for other target, it would be more “lethal” and better than STT(Single Target Tracker) but less accurate
It slews in azimuth, and in elevation. While in azimuth it is precise, in elevation it is either top or bottom sector. This allows the gunner to simply aquire the target using wide FoV right after it is handed to him.
Okay, that is still the gunner searching in elevation, and the way it usually works is that you detect in WFOV, then you accuire in NFOV where you define a small part of the image as the target you would lile to track. It is not going to automatically snap to the target like a radar tracking system where the track radar does the searching and acqsition. This is the “low cost” nature of the ADATS, that you mannually have to lock on.
This is why they removed it; it worked like radar tracking, could track things you could not see.
This was temporary. Radar and EO were both in its infancy back then. I believe it could see through hard cover as well. Eventually they made EO not be able to look through any obscuration and radar to get partially affected by trees as well. Nowadays EO is also heavily affected by weather, so its not nearly as strong as back then.
3rd person lock is can also be seen as your operator doing the search for you. They can also make it take a bit longer to complete the search than it used to be to make it more realistic. Especially required at least if they ever get around modelling the multi beam scanning of the search radar, as without 3rd person locking ability you can’t use the elevation data (unless you’re painstakingly manually keeping track if a target gets updated on your radar screen in the low or high beam).
It might not actually matter as much, manual searching can be pretty fast and I feel the 3rd person locking would fail most of the time anyway. But it would at least still be able to snap to the precise azimuth (azimuth only slewing seems to be possible already judging from the code), which is pretty handy.
If it has E/O track then why can’t it show possible E/O targets?
From the page “passive automatic E/O target tracking”
Sure sounds like it should have visualization like the pantsir.
Passive automatic E/O tracking means that
passive - Camera tracking does not emit
automatic - after locing system tracks by itself, not needing input from the gunner
This is how it looks like
it does not have an ability to multitrack like pantsir, and it does not have a feature that would allow for placing markers over targets pantsir style afaik
Why? Nothing in a prospective dual-loop tracking system actually prevents multiple targets from being tracked within the field of regard of the sensor.
Sure it only has one laser emitter so can only designate a single target at a time but nothing should stop additional targets from being tracked and being able to slew between them as needed (e.g. similar to Priority / Secondary, cued Target sort-slew, or Hunter-Killer systems in tanks), especially since we know that it is a feature of Airborne APG-66s.
Do we know what the Situation Display (B-Scope) even looks like for the ADATS? As additional data may be displayed there.
“it does not have an ability to multitrack like pantsir”
Actually it does with the radar → E/O track target upload that’s in the video above.
In the video it shows multiple targets on the radar screen all numbered and the officer sending the target data to the E/O operator to get visual confirmation.
That is Search Radar TWS. Not tracker TWS.
The search radar can indeed preform TWS (10 targets US, 20 CAN). However it does not have an tracking radar constantly scanning the sky. Therfore it does not have a pantsir like system. When TWS is introduced to search radars, it should gain acces to squares like that. But as of now, no.
Afaik the centroid auto tracked of adats can track one thing at a time.
