Found more info, ADATS uses the same optics as the Apache A, so it should get GEN 2 thermals
Also has a IR missile localizer so can lock incoming missiles
@Gunjob sorry to drag you into this again but found 2 more sources that are worth looking at. See post #1 for screenshot of pdf and the third source
The early Apaches (and a bunch of other early helicopters) should all have gen 1 thermals actually, that’s why the ADATS only has gen 1. However for helicopters specificallly, developers have decided to upgrade all gen 1s to gen 2 at least for gameplay reasons. This is at least the answer you’ll find in past bug reports about this and other similar reports.
This is embarrassing, what’s the issue?
Well according to the post (which you probabaly should read :P) that ADATS should be able to lock targets with its radar as well as its IRT (and not just the infrared track), the missiles should have a higher G-Load, and more. Those are the notable ones.
All i can say is, you are misinterpreting so many things…
Additional info:
Description
The ADATS consists of a 360 traversable turret fitted with a surveillance
radar, 8-1 2 nm wavelength forward looking infra-red (FLIR) and TV trackers,
a Nd:YAG laser rangefinder and a carbon dioxide (CO2 ) missile guidance
laser. Four missile launcher-containers are carried either side of the turret.
Two control consoles, one for the radar operator and the other for the
electro-optics (gunner) operator are placed inside the carrier vehicle.
Airborne targets are detected by a fully coherent l/J-band pulse Doppler
frequency-agile dual-beam SHORAR surveillance and acquisition radar
supplied by Contraves Italiana, the antenna of which rotates seo 1
and is
capable of detecting targets from very low levels up to 6000 m altitude at
ranges of over 24 km. An integrated IFF set is associated with the radar
which is also capable of displaying track information on up to 10 prioritised
targets on the radar operator’s PPI display. Output of the FLIR and/or TV
sensor systems appears on the display which is operated by the electro-
optics operator. Once a target is designated as hostile by the radar operator
the turret is automatically slewed round to its bearing and a search is
initiated to bring it into the field-of-view of the FLIR (5.4 x 7.2° wide field-of-
view, 2 x 2.6° narrow field-of-view) or TV camera (2.4 x 3.2° wide field-of-
view, 0.5 x 0.7- narrow field-of-view) which are installed in a bin on the front
of the turret. The electro-optics operator then selects either the FLIR or TV
for tracking depending on the light level and prevailing weather conditions.
The selected sensor then locks-on’ to the target and begins automatic
tracking. The range is measured either by the NdYAG laser rangefinder or
is provided by the track-while-scan facility of the surveillance radar to
ensure that the target is within engagement range. A missile is then
launched and guided by a 10.6 jim wavelength coded pulse COs laser to
the target.
The Mach 3 plus smokeless propellant missile itself is 2.057 m long.
0.152 m in diameter and weighs 51.4 kg. The dual purpose warhead carried
weighs 12.5 kg with the casing providing a fragmentation effect against
aircraft The missile warhead can penetrate around 1 00 cm of steel armour.
The minimum and maximum ranges for air targets up to 6000 m altitude are
1000 and 10 000 m respectively and against armour targets the minimum
and maximum ranges are 500 and 8000 m. The missile is fitted with an
impact fuze and an electro-optical laser proximity fuze for air targets. The
launcher-containers are 2.2 m long. 0.24 m in diameter and weigh about
65 kg loaded and 13 kg empty. The missile launchers can be elevated from
-9 to +85° for missile launch; intercept is guaranteed up to 90°.
Ground targets are acquired electro-optically and the range is determined
by the laser rangefinder. The remainder of the engagement sequence is as
for the air target.
Missile intercept is garenteed up to 90° in other words the sights need to be able to look that high to guide the missile on to the target.
Meaning that the laser can go up to 90 degrees but you can only launch up to 85 degrees
Yeh thats fine, once launched even at 70° it doesn’t matter as long as the missile corrects itself overhead on the way to a target in orbit at 90°, currently the US adats this isn’t possible unless in 3rd person. The only way the missile will be able to be optical guided to that elevation is if the sights are able to rotate to 90°.
They could easily fix it.
At 60 degree sights, if you fire the bushmaster, it will shoot at 59 degrees.
At 90 degree sights, the bushmaster still fires at 59 degrees, fire a missile and it exits at 85 degrees but tracks to the laser at 90 degrees
Do you even know what this is used for?
That is only the US one, Candain one uses a different Flir, sadly I got no specifics on it.
Missile Tracker: IR missile localizer on
CCD camera for passive TV tracking
Found this pertaining to another sam. I assume it means tracking other missiles and able to intercept them
No.
It is used to track IR flare of the missile the system launches, so the system knows where it is.
Do you have any idea how stupid does it sound: we have a system that can spot, recognize and track missiles, but only if they are IR guided.
Not really actually, thermal imaging can see incoming IR lights emitted from Seeker so they would be able to be tracked. I mean it would only work with any IR missiles in line of the camera system. The radar should be able to pick them up anyway because it’s pulse dopplar. I should actually make a bug report saying that IR missiles should illuminate on thermals
Just as a reminder ir missiles use a passive guidance their seeker dont “emmit ir lights”, they do have an ir signature because they are hotter than the background but thats not different with any other munition.
Guys. I can’t
A warhead is the section of a device that contains the explosive agent or toxic (biological, chemical, or nuclear) material that is delivered by a missile, rocket, torpedo, or bomb.
I want to correct this but this whole thread hurt my brain too much for me to want to even try
Tank destroyers that carry spikes and the Chinese Qn506 can lock ground targets. Its a mechanic already in WT.
Going back to the topic, I really hope the ADATS does get updated to reflect these changes. Though some mechanics need to be completely reworked or changed in order for this to happen.
But I have some questions.
Radar can track up to 10 targets at once (like pantsir) Uses TADS/PNVS system
Radar should work in all weather conditions at maximum range
So I just want to clarify. The ADATS search radar is supposed to be a search/track radar? If not, does this mean that the ADATS’s IRST, can lock through clouds?
I’ve always assumed that the ADATS search radar was soley used for spoting targets and it’s IRST was used for tracking. Is that assumption now wrong with the facts you presented?
Laser should be able to be toggled so Adats can shoot over terrain and reacquire laser (like helicopters)
Does this mean that the MIM-146 has IOG? What is the practical use case for this and how will this look like in game?
The main features that I want to be implemented is the having the ability to track multiple targets, slewing to the radar, and having the ability to search/track through adverse weather conditions.
As of right now, it is practically impossible to intercept agms which is the biggest threat right now in top tier.