Abrams

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@SpeclistMain1

Possibility of penetration is low =/= penning 100% of the time at three times the range?

M829A2 doesn’t penetrate 100% of the time at 3x the range… That’s the explicit purpose of M829A3.

@SpeclistMain1

And why does Gaijin model HHRA for Russian vehicles more often than NATO ones?

What HHRA elements of NATO vehicles need to be added/tweaked? I’m not too familiar with where it may be or what effectiveness it currently has.

@SpeclistMain1

NATO ERA is also effective against KE munitions.

I didn’t know there was an ERA patent called “NATO ERA”

[MechaZelis]

What do I win?

[Surbaissemaxxing]

Chally HESH my beloved

[Panther2995]

Thats why i asked top tier tanks.

Also knowing how inconsistent HESH raund is that one was probably pure rng.

[Panther2995]

You dont win anything due to not one shotting top tier Russian tank.

[MechaZelis]

I’m going to assume because you’re being this anal about testing that the pentest won’t count?

And if I did it in a User Mission that wouldn’t count either because reasons?

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@Panther2995

Thats why i asked top tier tanks.

Is the T-90A not a top-tier tank? Last I checked it fights 11.7s and offers better protection than the T-72B3/'89 pattern.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

Oh my god! Two random and inconsistent outcomes happening in a row!!1!

Fake!!11!

[MechaZelis]

Hits the Nae Nae with 3kg of HE filler

[MechaZelis]

Perhaps this is why the 99A is the same tier as the T-90M?

[БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С]

NATO:

1. Most shells have pathetic amount of HE (less HE = less pressure)
2. Weaker tank roof (half of the turret has 20mm) (less armor = easier to overpressure)

USSR

• One of the best HE shells
• 2 small areas of 30mm in the turret.

And that’s why it’s many times easier to kill some abrams with pressure on some t80 than vice versa. No hidden modifiers or secrets here. It’s just the way mechanics work.

[Panther2995]

@MechaZelis

I’m going to assume because you’re being this anal about testing that the pentest won’t count?

And if I did it in a User Mission that wouldn’t count either because reasons?

And im going to assume you’re gonna use protection analysis due to lacking concrete video proof?

Not surprised tho.

@TheArcticFoxxo

Is the T-90A not a top-tier tank? Last I checked it fights 11.7s and offers better protection than the T-72B3/'89 pattern.

Hmm T90A is top tier tank, Guess that makes T90M,T80-BVM and T72B3 Uber tanks.

Also T72B3 offers better side protection while having much better gun handling, you dont even know what you’re talking about.

[Panther2995]

@БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С

And that’s why it’s many times easier to kill some abrams with pressure on some t80 than vice versa. No hidden modifiers or secrets here. It’s just the way mechanics work.

Discussion was about Autoloader models that if they have hidden modifiers or not.

Check the topic before posting answer.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С

NATO:

1. Most shells have pathetic amount of HE (less HE = less pressure)
2. Weaker tank roof (half of the turret has 20mm) (less armor = easier to overpressure)

USSR

• One of the best HE shells
• 2 small areas of 30mm in the turret.

NATO:

1. DM11 - 3.9kg of HE in an HE-F projectile

2. Slsgr M/95 - 3.54kg of HE in an HE projectile

3. M339 - 3.66kg of HE in an HE-F projectile

4. M908 - 1.99kg of HE in a SAP penetrator + HEAT warhead

5. M830A1 - 2.36kg of HE in a directional HEAT warhead

WP:

1. 3OF19 - 3.15kg of HE in an HE projectile

2. 3OF26 - 5.24kg of HE in an HE projectile

3. DTB-125 - 5.46kg of HE in an HE projectile

4. DTB12-125 - 5.3kg of HE in an HE-VT projectile

Relatively equal, granted the obvious increase in caliber which has its own drawback of abhorrent reload rate.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@Panther2995

Hmm T90A is top tier tank, Guess that makes T90M,T80-BVM and T72B3 Uber tanks.

It makes them… Also top tier tanks.

It really isn’t a hard concept mate.

@Panther2995

Also T72B3 offers better side protection while having much better gun handling, you dont even know what you’re talking about.

No side protection increase is seen in the T-72B3/['89/'90] package. It’s quite literally as armored as the T-90A, if not less due to weaker composite.
Gun handling is irrelevant to survivability. Do not derail the topic.

[Panther2995]

@TheArcticFoxxo

It makes them… Also top tier tanks.

It really isn’t a hard concept mate.

T90A isnt top tier tank mate, learn the difference.

@TheArcticFoxxo

No side protection increase is seen in the T-72B3/['89/'90] package. It’s quite literally as armored as the T-90A, if not less due to weaker composite.

Looks like someone has no idea about UBH modification, how surprising…

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@Panther2995

T90A isnt top tier tank mate, learn the difference.

Fine, let’s go with the route that the T-90A isn’t a top tier tank and completely forget the proof showing a high-explosive round overpressuring it.

What bullshit excuse will you pull for these?

@MechaZelis

@MechaZelis

@MechaZelis

There’s even DM11 going straight through 4S23…

@Panther2995

Looks like someone has no idea about UBH modification, how surprising…

The UBH modification (2016 armor package slapped on a 2011 vehicle with missing features) is, once again, irrelevant.
Can you show me what difference the T-72B3 UBH modification makes to the turret roof?

It’s not like I stated twice that I was mentioning the base 2011 variant, though…

[Panther2995]

@TheArcticFoxxo

Fine, let’s go with the route that the T-90A isn’t a top tier tank and completely forget the proof showing a high-explosive round overpressuring it.

What bullshit excuse will you pull for these?

Show me an video evidence where you consistently overpressure T90M,T80BVM and T72B3 through Commander sight,cupola or roof mg, but wait you guys can only show me protection analysis results which everyone knows how inconsistent it is.

So stop pulling bullshit excuse from your empty pocket and give me something good.

@TheArcticFoxxo

The UBH modification (2016 armor package slapped on a 2011 vehicle with missing features) is, once again, irrelevant.

UBH modification increases side protection against KE and CE ammunition but somehow it is irrevelant?

Dude what kind of stuff you’re smoking?

@TheArcticFoxxo

It’s not like I stated twice that I was mentioning the base 2011 variant, though…

I couldnt care less about what you mentioned, in game 72B3 does offer better side protection due to UBH modification, stop coping.

Its also quite funny how you changed shooting angles on those cupola shots in order to make sure rounds can overpressure in protection analysis, shows how desperate you are.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@Panther2995

Show me an video evidence where you consistently overpressure T90M,T80BVM and T72B3

You’ve been shown photo evidence where such was done. What difference is there?

If you really insist though… I’ll do it when I’m home.

@Panther2995

but wait you guys can only show me protection analysis results which everyone knows how inconsistent it is.

Can you explain to me in detail how it is inconsistent?

@Panther2995

So stop pulling bullshit excuse from your empty pocket and give me something good.

You’ve been the only one grasping at straws to disprove the myriad of screenshots of this exact scenario.

@Panther2995

UBH modification increases side protection against KE and CE ammunition but somehow it is irrevelant?

Are you blind, stupid, dense, or a mixture of all 3?

@TheArcticFoxxo

turret roof

@Panther2995

Commander sight,cupola or roof mg

You seemingly can’t read, nor show me any change the UBH modification makes to the turret roof to make the T-72B3 more resistant to HE than the T-90A.

I’ll just take it that you’re wrong…

@Panther2995

Its also quite funny how you changed shooting angles on those cupola shots in order to make sure rounds can overpressure in protection analysis, shows how desperate you are.

Who is “you”?

HE penetration is the same regardless of what angle it contacts at.
Again, more short straws. Keep grasping.

[J_ackal]

He’s not wrong. The 2a6 is on par if not better than every other MBT (Excluding the up armored leopards)