Yep! This is again speculation, but some suggest that VT-5’s composite modules share a similar structure to VT-4’s.
VT-5 being essentially a smaller and lighter VT-4, that notion makes sense to me. But, again, it’s difficult to work on this tank, given how little info there is about it hahah. But, in these cases, I always advocate for the best estimates possible. Tanks being advanced wonders of engineering, I prefer to estimate they are as good as they can be rather than going for low conservative values.
And thank you for your message! It’s my pleasure to always look after tanks. There’s nothing I love more than tanks, hahah. So my goal is for them to be properly depicted in War Thunder in their full glory, rather than as mere shadows of their reality.
That’s also why I am enraged by the lack of spall liners in all Chinese MBTs, and many more things.
I recently finally started playing China, and I am fascinated by these tanks- so it hits me even harder to see how much better they could be if Gaijin cared to fix them, hahah.
Can you summarize your viewpoint without context? Your statements before and after are indeed somewhat contradictory, which confuses us as to what kind of armor you think VT5 has. Can you describe it?
1- VT5’s armor is incorrect.
1a- The hull steel thickness is incorrect.
1b- The turret composite thickness seems incorrect, especially with evidence provided as well as my own suspicions.
1a2- In relation to the hull steel thickness being incorrect I cross-checked other vehicles for similar weight and size and determined that a quick comparison with TAM may result in information that proves my hypothesis.
2a- Comparing TAM’s steel thickness to that of dev server’s VT5 I determined that there’s a MINIMUM of 15mm of missing steel from VT5 on the lower front plate and posted my suspicions here.
2b- With that people conversed, some pinging me with information that would help me learn. I thank them for that.
At some point someone was able to get the 3D model checked proving that the thickness should be ~50mm thick.
Some people misunderstood my statements and I did a poor job alleviating those misunderstandings on my end for that I apologize.
Many friends have already sent materials regarding the VT-5. However, I would like to take this opportunity to talk about the longstanding unfair treatment of the Chinese tech tree. Gaijin has repeatedly stated that they do not want people to send classified documents, that they will not look at classified documents, and that they will not use them to modify in-game data. Yet now, when presented with publicly available images, information, and designer interviews regarding export models, they claim that such evidence is insufficient to modify the fabricated data they have come up with. They completely ignore the community’s protests, and this issue persists not only with the VT-5 but also with the VT-5A1 and the 99A. Most ridiculous is that one version of VT-5 they made with a rotate auto-loader just like T-72. What kind of 105 shells should use such auto-loader? What kind of designer will make a 30t modern tanks frontal armor invulnerable to withstand machinegun and autocannons fire and can call it as a light MBT?
I would like to ask: have Chinese tech tree players, or more broadly, the Chinese player base, not contributed enough to this game? Features like gun depression angles and the so-called turret basket have been repeatedly proven to be inaccurate through various pieces of evidence, yet they are still forcibly applied to the VT-5. Even the in-game models, despite having real-life reference photos, are poorly made. At this point, I can only assume that Gaijin has never truly cared about Chinese vehicles. Are the military experts from the countries that purchased Chinese export equipment incompetent? Should they have instead bought Russian equipment for their purchases to be considered “correct”?
Or does Gaijin really need to wait until an actual war breaks out, with real-life battle results and casualties, before acknowledging the truth and saying, “Not a Bug”? Their unique arrogance makes it seem as if they believe the Soviet Union/Russia is the true leader of armored vehicle development, clinging to outdated, heavily modified Cold War-era equipment, while everything we develop as quite new equipments are just a crude imitation. Is that not laughable?
I am not trying to target anyone specifically and definetly trying to be kind, but can I assume that Gaijin’s actions amount to consistently discrimination against Chinese players? Or to put it more bluntly, is this a blatant case of racist reflected in the game?
As someone who has witnessed the modeling issues with the ZTZ99A, VT-4A1, and WZ1001 that are still not fixed, and now the VT-5, Gaijin has an attitude problem that needs to be corrected.
It doesn’t help that all these vehicles aren’t easily available to get information on.
The common denominator is lack of information, especially information in English.
Of course China and Japan will have modeling issues if we want vehicles put in-game in a competitive timeframe to nations that make documents in international languages.
Gaijin probably needs a larger team of translators.
Also you posted “attitude” when you meant to post “lack of translators and on-the-ground researchers”.
Also @不利于团结的话不要说, I’m pretty sure NATO competed but that’s not relevant to this forum.
Or maybe CN tech tree actually need a consultant (not like the one who purposefully nerfed the vehicles), as far as I know CN tech tree right now doesn’t have one while most other nations do.
Even then, many bug reports, like the spall liner-related ones, contain more than enough information for the developers to act on them… yet here we are, after a full whole year since the reports were made and “accepted”, still waiting :/
Yes, and bug reports help and need to be read each time.
And for some of them there are hiccups that can occur [looks at spall liner placement research].
Some are easy, for VT5 there’s explicit video showing every angle.
Harder for others.
Pls just search in the ISSUE forum with VT-5 or anyother tanks. Most of game balance related (like armor, reload speed etc.) are labeled as Not a Bug, or Not enough Info.
And all of the ones that were denied lack information.
The standards are set for everyone, which makes finding sources annoying.
We can’t blame Gaijin, as those standards exist to legally protect them as well as make sure that no country is given bias.
We can blame our governments for not making information easily accessible and unrestricted.