A5C BR needs to be lowered

There is absolutely NO reason for this aircraft to be 11.0
It’s gone from 10.0 to 10.3 to 10.7 and to now 11.0.

I have not flown the thing in years. Once it was moved to 10.7 there was no reason to fly / buy it over a J7d at the same BR. The fact that i’m taking time to write about a jet I hadn’t touched in years is proof of how egregious this BR placement is. Napalm alone isn’t a reason to move up the BR.

IF YOU IMPLEMENT DYNAMIC BR APPLY IT TO THE A5C.

The a5c has 18 measly countermeasures against mig23s and f4 phantoms , Viggens, Tornados, Mirage F1C-200 Kfir canards etc. How are you even supposed to get to the bases or even survive? It was unplayable at 10.7, but 11.0??? That’s pure insanity. Either remove the napalm, implement a dynamic BR or just lower it to 10.3.

The f6c event vehicle is quite similar with aim9p and a similar airframe. That aircraft is 9.7. How can there be such a massive discrepancy between BR? My concerns are echoed by other players on reddit and here on the warthunder forums. As a loyal customer & player I feel disrespected by these changes and I know I’m not alone.

Here is a list of jets better than the A-5C at a lower BR

to recap, the A5C has : 2 magics (or aim9p) and 18 countermeasures and sits at 11.0

Super etendard, also a strike fighter has the same magic missiles, excellent flight performance, and 140 countermeasures. Sits at 10.3 - personally this jet is the best example of why the A5C is fundamentally over tiered.

The Mirage IIIE has 45 countermeasures, the same magic missiles, and SARH capability. The mirage IIIE sits at 10.7.

J7d - 4 pl5bs and better flight performance at 10.7

the A10A late has 4 aim9Ls, vastly more ordnance and 480 countermeasures. Sits at 10.7

The su17 m4 plays a similar strike role but is at 10.7 and has 396 countermeasures and can carry 6 r60 missiles.

The su25k has 60 countermeasures, all aspect r60 missiles and also can destroy 2 bases. Sits at 10.7

The mig 25 pd sits at 10.7. R40td missiles and mach 3 capability.

The F-8E has 60 countermeasures and aim9c at 10.7

F8U sits at 10.3 with also 60 countermeasures and aim9ds

The f5c sits at 10.7 with one of the best flight models of any cold war dogfighter

The a6e tram, another strike fighter has 60 countermeasures and 4 aim9Ls. Sits at 10.7

The f111a sits at 10.7 with 60 countermeasures, a vulcan and tons of ordnance.

The a7k has 60 countermeasures and 2 aim9L. Sits at 10.7

The mirage 5ba has 60 countermeasures and a good airframe, sits at 10.3

The j35xs sits at 10.3 with 6 IR missiles albeit with only 12 countermeasures. Can easily outrun the a5c.

The mig21mf has 60 countermeasures and r60s at 10.3

Mig 21 smt has 60 countermeasures and r60s at 10.7

The mirage IIIs has 45 countermeasures, SARH missile capability and sits at 10.3

The mig23mf has 6 r60s at 10.7

The j35j can carry 6 missiles, SARH capability at 10.7

F35 draken has 2 aim9n, 44 chaff and 24 countermeasures at 10.3

The French jaguar A and E model have 192 countermeasures and magics at 10.7

British jaguar has 2 aim9g and 60 countermeasures also at 10.7

The Ayit has 60 countermeasures and 2 aim9d at 10.0

The Chinese f104g has no countermeasures but 4 aim9j at 10.7, can easily catch an a5c.
The German has f104G has 60 countermeasures and sits at 11.0
The difference between countermeasures for these 2 is only .3 of BR

The mirage IIIC is lighter then the E model, accelerates faster yet has no countermeasures. sits at 10.0. The difference between the 2 being .7.

The buccaneer s.2b is one of the fastest subsonic aircraft in the game, has 2 aim9L and 60 countermeasures at 10.7

The Q5A sits at 10.0 also with 18 countermeassures. At some point you have to ask yourself, is 2 r550 magics and 18 countermeasures enough to move a mig19 based strike fighter to 11.0? When it was originally 10.0? Any sane person will tell you no.

Magics exist at 10.0 with the IIIc. Countermeasures are quite common in this BR yet they all carry much more. The Q5A sits at 10.0 also with 18.

The A5C needs to be at 10.3. At 10.7 It’s free food, at 11.0 it’s DOA.

If you’re concerned about SL rewards or RP just lower the percentages.

Alternatively I don’t think there is a single jet more deserving of dynamic Br changes than the a5c. Without napalm or magics, it should be able to fly at 10.3. I personally think it could also be 10.3 with magics too since the IIIc has them at 10.0, and the Super Etendard at 10.3.

I should be fighting nimble f5c’s, fast f105s, mirage IIIs, mirage 5b, f106s, mig21s. This was the sweet spot. The a5c heat signature is already higher than most aircraft it faced at 10.3. This mitigates the measly 18 countermeasures it carries.

My Chinese tree is complete, I literally just want to enjoy the jet I paid 60 dollars for. I want things to be fair, and I don’t think that’s too much to ask for. Additionally, it sets a bad precedent for your customers when they spend money on something that has it’s BR increased 3 times in a row, until it’s completely unplayable.

My stats when it was 10.3 - 279 air battles with 125 deaths and 344 kills, over 500 ground targets destroyed.

Thanks, VintageArtDealer

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Yeah, base bombing tax, the over preforming Chinese 250-2 incendiary bombs allow it to kill 2 bases per fly out so it goes up bases on SL/RP earnings, not actual preformance.
I did a break down on it in the custom BR thread and suggested including napalm in custom BRs since they are insisting on balancing around it

Full post here
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Just loaded the new Storm shadow update and they have a new $60 premium Q-5D at 10.3…

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Power creep the old premium into oblivion, then sell a new one… why am I not surprised.

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Yep haha same here. I feel a bit silly i didn’t realize they increased countermeasures from 18 to 64. I just played a decent match with it. Still think it should be dropped to 10.3* though.

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Oh, nice, I’m still downloading the patch, but I just checked the change log, they just changed them from large cal to regular but upped them to 64, that will make life quite a bit easier.

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Typical snail move, they are very worried about the game being balanced

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It’s very rare that I manage to kill a single base in the A5C, everyone else is much faster, and then there are no bases left.

Without the base bombing capability, you’re just a 10.3 jet facing up to 12.0 matchmaker which is so dumb.

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I typically don’t go for bases 1st rush, I usually take a loadout for air to ground and hit pillboxes/ arty 1st along with seeing if I can poach a few zombers/ distracted dog fighters, when I RTB to rearm I’ll see how many of our bombers are still alive and if it’s not to many left then I’ll switch to an anti-base load out.
It’s probably not as efficient as getting 1 or 2 bases every time but I find it less stressful then getting involved in the initial rush.

Yeah I just bring the 4x250kg bombs and toss them at pillboxes/aa trucks if no one bothers me when I reach the frontline.

Sometimes I go for the convoy instead and try my luck into a row of trucks, so I can get rid of the bombs faster. Usually these matches end very fast and I don’t get to rearm and bomb.

Once I had 9 kills in the A5C, now it is quite trash and not many people dogfight you at 11.0 range. I don’t really play it nowdays, its not a fun experience 90% of the time. It’s the only premium jet I bought. So gaijin decides to make it more garbage in each BR change patch :/

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