The A13 Mk II turret frontal armor has the wrong thickness. All the A13 Mk II variants should have 30mm of armor in the turret front, currently the turret front itself in both A13 Mk. II is only 14mm thick. (see screeshots.) The Cruiser Mk IV A13 Mk. II and the Cruiser Mk IV A13 Mk. II 1939.
Both the A13 Mk II in War Thunder are labeled as Cruiser Mk. IV and all the Cruiser Mk. IV A13 Mk II should have 30mm of frontal armor on the turret front.
According to page 14 and 18 of Bellona Military Vehicle Prints series 20, the A13 Mk. II had 30mm of armor in the turret front while also keeping the ‘spaced armor’ of the turret.
Another source that also metions this is The war archives british cruiser of world war 2, page 15 of the book also says that the A13 Mk. II had a armor thickness of 30mm on the nose, glacis plate and turret front.
And yet another source is also Tank Power VOL. XCIII A13 Mk I/Mk II page 29 shows a armor scheme of a A13 Mk. II (Cruiser Mk. IV) and is also clearly shown that the turret Frontal armor should also be 30mm thick. (and not 14mm)
The war archives british cruiser of world war 2 - Page 15
Tank Power VOL. XCIII A13 Mk I/Mk II - Page 29
What needs to be changed:
In order for the Cruiser Mk IV A13 Mk. II and the Cruiser Mk IV A13 Mk. II 1939 tanks to be classified as A13 Mk. II Cruiser Mk. IV the turret front needs to be 30mm thick and not 14mm.
Right now in game even the thickest parts of the turret front on the A13 Mk. II only gives a maximum armor value of 28mm.
So the turret Frontal armor itself needs to be increased from 14mm to 30mm
All the sources i’ve seen say that the turret front of Cruisers Mk. IV A13 Mk. II should be 30mm thick, the tanks in war thunder are labeled as Cruiser Mk. IV so their turrets should have 30mm of frontal armor.
I understand that it has additional 14mm on top, but that still only 28mm of armor and not 30mm. Also the additional 14mm plates don’t really cover the entire turret front, so some parts still only providing 14mm of protection.
All the sources i’ve shown state that A13 Mk II (Cruiser Mk. IV) should have 30mm of armor for the hull and turret front.
Oh and sorry i mentioned on the post and the reports as well, but i’m referring to the Tech Tree A13 Mk. II as well, that one has even less of the turret front covered by the additional 14mm plates, and most of it still only 14mm thick, and as all the sources state, all Cruiser Mk IV A13 Mk. II had 30mm of armor for the turret front.
So for this to be bug reported it has to be determined if this is actually a single 30mm plate, a 16mm and 14mm plate, or two 14mm plates and the British were happy that 28mm was close enough to a 30mm basis.
The screenshots i’ve shown are showing the turret front itself, (the one behind the external armor) not the additional external armor that both tanks get, that’s why it goes all around.
I still think it would be a good buff if the armor was increased to 30mm i died so many times in the A13 Mk. II because a single 20mm round got through the very tip top of the turret where’s only 14mm of armor and one shoted my whole turret crew :(
Yes i understand, but the tanks in war thunder are labeled as A13 Mk IV and in all sources i’ve seen the Cruiser Mk. IV are supposed to have 30mm of turret frontal armor.
I’m really sorry if i’m having a little bit of difficulty understanding what you’re saying but i think i get it, i’ll keep doing more research on it anyways. And sorry for bad english
Hey i don’t want to interfere but it says right there, "Armor scheme for A13 Mk. II/IIA (Cruiser tank Mk IV/IVA) and the figure shows 30mm of turret armor, so maybe both had 30mm of frontal armor overall?
