A Subtree for Israel - My Opinion

Hello there, fellows. Today (or technically tonight, since it’s 1 am here) I am going to tell you what I think about a question which I have already raised in my past post ‘A Subtree for Israel’. Back then, I asked you what you think in a poll; the poll had options mostly suggested by people I know, not me. This time, I will show you what I believe is the way to do it.

WARNINGS:

  • Please remain calm and not political in the comment section.

  • Please do not say ‘Israel should have been a US subtree’ or anything like that. It is not contributing to anything at all, since Israel is already not a subtree. Even if such claim was right, it does not matter now anymore.

  • All claims, ideas and opinions in this post are meant to make the Israeli TT in WT better, bigger and more popular. Please remember that. It would also be great if you will work like that too.

  • This is just my opinion. Don’t feel harrased, it’s just my own very personal thoughts here. Not a leak, not a proper suggestion to the devs, just an idea I wanted to share with you guys.

First, I want to explain why I even think Israel should get a subtree at alle. Subtrees are usually used to fill ‘holes’ in tech-trees, but Israel doesn’t look like it has much of those (except in the tank destroyer line). Furthermore, one might say (and be 100% right) that the thing Israel needs the most now is regular enhancement - new SPAAs, some low tier vehicles and for Snail’s sake, LIGHT TANKS! It would also be nice, and maybe even necessary, to buff the armor on the Merkava series.
Well, the fact that the Israeli TT needs further improvements of it’s own domestic vehicles does not mean a subtree wouldn’t be of great help! My ideas for a subtree would reinforce the already-good ideas and suggestion made by many of you and supported by even more, for domestic Israeli vehicles. I believe a subtree would make Israel way more attractive and interesting for more players, which is something I hope to achieve. Even with the help of more domestic vehicles, and a lot of those can be added, I still think a subtree would fill some possible to predict holes, and help make the whole TT much more varied.

Now that you know why I think adding a subtree is generally a good idea, we can delve deep into which subtree I think should be added.

  1. For mid until top tier - export subtree (@quartas121 had already talked about it a few weeks ago; it’s a pretty common idea among Israeli TT fans), or the ‘Israeli defence industries’ subtree.
    This idea is my personal favorite, considering that it can give us almost anything we desire for the Israeli TT to have: light tanks like the Piranha 6x6 IB HVMS from Chile, IFVs like the Hunter AFV from Singapore, strike aircraft like the Su-25KM Scorpion from Georgia, tank destroyers like the M462 Nimrod from Colombia, artillery units like the TAM VCLC from Argentine*, and fighters and MBTs from literally all over the world.
    The only conditions for adding a vehicle to this subtree would be 1. that it does not belong directly to any other existing TT (like the British Exactor or the South African Cheetah, which were made by Israel but are British/South African so they do not fit this subtree of course), and 2. that it was made, upgraded or improved in any way by an Israeli military industrial company, such as Elbit or IAI.
    From this kind of subtree we can get many unique vehicles that simply do not fit anywhere else, or are hard to fit elsewhere, or are better fitted with Israel - but if we were to add a specifiic nation as a subtree, like Chile, it would have not been added (in favor of copy-paste vehicles).
    All this makes it a very good option in my eyes: it’s flexible, varied, special and doesn’t hurt any other tech-tree, as it only adds vehicles with clear Israeli connections, unlike the present copy-paste subtrees we have in-game.

  2. For low tier - Jewish WW2 war heroes subtree. This one is my own unique idea (unless I don’t know and someone else thought about it too), meant to cover the real big issue with the export subtree idea - the lack of proper low tier vehicles. Unlike the domestic part of the TT, which can give us a surprisingly high amount of low tier vehicles - especially for a state founded after WW2 - the Israeli military companies took their time, and only gave us vehicles from the 1960’s and forward. They do give us 1-3 tanks and maybe a plane for ranks 1-2, but not more. This is why I suggest the Jewish WW2 war heroes subtree, which would only cover ranks I and II - it would make the grind easier, bring some different tastes to the tree and probably make the WT Live explode of cool camouflages. Besides, it might solve the severe lack of fighters Israel would have between BRs 1.0 - 3.0. Vehicles like the Churchill Mk.III used by the Jewish Brigade - which later became the very foundings of the IDF; the BT-7 or T-34 of Felix Beatous, a Soviet and Polish tank battalion commander who later established the IDF armored corps; the F4U Corsair of Lou Lenart, the Machal pilot who helped creating the IAF; the Spitfire Mk.I ‘Flying Rabbi’; and so many more that their stories should be told and their vehicles - learned about. I am suggesting this because despite the fact that the Jewish/Israeli people did not have an independent state of their own during WW2, they did fight in all Allied militaries in all possible fronts, and the war was theirs as much as it was any other Allied nation’s if not more, since for them it was a war for survival against literal total extermination attempts. The Jews were a very high precent of the soldiers in Allied militaries, despite their ever-low population. This makes sense historically, and as I explained above, it makes sense game-wise. I think this would complete with the export subtree, and make the Israeli TT much more well-represented, interesting and attractive for everyone, and would give it a new specialty of it’s own.

  3. Adding vehicles not directly related to Israel from Israel-allied nations - this idea is here just in case you don’t like the Jewish WW2 war heroes subtree. If we cannot make it work, we can consider making Israeli low tier wider and more varied using vehicles from nations that could easily become a regular (copy-paste like) subtree for Israel, such as Chile, Colombia and maybe even radical ideas like Czechia (go B 534!). We can make sure to add mostly vehicles that are not complete copy-paste, like the BT-67 Gunship from Colombia, or vehicles that are technically copy-paste but still do not exist in the game, like the NA-74 from Chile. I personally like the Jewish WW2 idea more, but I can’t say it’s perfect, so if you’d prefer the less-fascinating idea of adding vehicles not directly related to Israel from Israel-allied nations - well, I guess that demands a poll now.

Which idea do you like more to cover the low tier holes in the export subtree idea for Israel?

  • Jewish WW2 War Heroes
  • Adding vehicles not directly related to Israel from Israel-allied nations
0 voters

Thank very much for reading this far, and good night! :)
(Now it’s 3 am already here)

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You presented three options and then only left two of them in the vote.

Regarding the post, I prefer that the vehicles of a minor nation are all in the same main TT. I don’t want more cases like Australia or Canada. No thanks.

In that case, make some LATAM nations an Israeli subtree, at least that way you keep those nations in Israel. Otherwise, it won’t be popular.

You really should do a poll on which subtree is appropriate for Israel, and put the most popular and viable options to a vote. This whole hero thing doesn’t work.

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I already did it with ideas people wanted me to share, and post is my personal opinion. I did not go for a poll here, because this is not a suggestion, just an idea I’d like to share with you. Furthermore, the export subtree idea was the ‘winner’ of the poll in the original post, so it seem to be more popular than the ‘losing’ LATAM subtree. The poll I made here was just to cover the following question: given that an export subtree is to be added (only theoritically of course), what concept would you like to cover the lacking low tiers of such subtree? That’s it. Go check out the facts, man.

No Israel’s existing vehicles should be buffed, it doesn’t need a subtree to be competitive, just irl buffs

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The most likely thing (and what has happened with other nations in the game) is that Israel will get a single nation as a sub tree, it is almost impossible for them to add one of your favorite options since gaijin usually chooses to add sub trees where there are copy/paste vehicles because it speeds up the processes, it is cheap for them and saves them time, for this reason gaijin is not going to give Israel so much love as to add only unique own or export vehicles, most likely is that Chile be added as a sub tree, which is the individual nation that had the most votes in your previous publication and is one of the most voted sub trees in the section of suggestions for the game and the most popular options for Israel

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Sad but true.

Need a subtree? Perhaps not. Would it be great? Hell yeah.

I think the israeli tree needs to be filled from rank I with israeli vehicles, there are a few they could add, all copy paste though

Just a little tiny bit few. Almost no rank I


From my very own Israeli expanded ground TT.

Cool, they should definitely add rank I and rank II then

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In my opinion latin america ground should go to israel instead of argentina for germany or brazil for italy…
Like we will get to finally see some light tanks like centauro into the israeli tt…

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But there is no relations between them(as far as i know)

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Wanna see rank II?

yes, I’m currently grinding merkava 2b


Rank II.

Rank III.

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I don’t think we’ll see the I-III range. for Israel

Quickly, two reasons:

  1. There was no Israel in the time period covered by range I-III (it would be anachronistic)

  2. Gaijin has plans to split the game into two major time periods: A) up to WWII and B) Cold War to the present.

Just like most of Sweden’s low tier. Just like the M42, M44, ASU-57, all Japanese/Italian allied-originated tanks and countless others.

Never heard of such malevolence.

Sweden was a real thing in 1945 though. Idk… Maybe that’s just my guess. I feel like that won’t be possible, but Gaijin is unpredictable so…

I don’t remember well, but if you look for it you can find it. I think it’s in the roadmap or in the last Q&A of the developers.

Edit: Now that I think about it, it came out in a leak from the Chinese guy, who is usually reliable.

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And Israel was about to become one. As explained in my Jewish WW2 warriors subtree idea, proper military units made as preparation to establish the IDF took an active play in WW2; those include the Jewish Brigade (HYL), the Haganah (which even had it’s own ‘air force’ - Sheirut Ha’Avir), the Etzel (NMO), the Palmakh, the Palyam and the Lekhi. In addition to the Makhal, which was established just at the end of WW2.

Therefore unreliable.