A case for the 4 R-73’s the Su-24M should have

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Hello ladies and gentleman

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I’ve come here to discuss why the Su-24 should receive its historical 4 x R-73s, and why I don’t think it would make it NEARLY as OP some would think it would be.

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You can search anywhere and see that the Su-24M can use R-73s and can have up to 4 of them, using the wing pylons, my point for why it wouldn’t be broken is this:

The Su-24 is a supersonic BOMBER, the fact that it is a brick that barely goes past Mach 1.0 in a straight line

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With no HMD.

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And no radar (that can lock into enemy aircraft) meaning it can’t slave the R-73 to an aircraft that is pre-flaring.

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In air-rb it has to compete with MiG-21 and MiG-23 pilots napalming bases, meaning it’s gonna eat scraps off the table, well not really off the table, more like off the ground because the F-4s and other planes that are lighter than you will reach the remaining bases before you.

I’m not saying that is a bad strategy, you need to stock grind some planes and that’s the easier way, which I fully respect, however that doesn’t prepare you for the top tier jet combat.

Sure it’s gonna be way different than MiG-23ML vs F-4S sure but you’ll learn a thing or two that will be useful later.

Your only option is going to destroy AI ground targets, which is fine when you have the TV and laser guided missiles but tell me how that goes with only 100kg bombs stock, I had to do that to unlock better bombs when the F-14A Iran was still 12.3.

I don’t really see a point of moving the Su-24 upwards due to this, because it’s still gonna be a flying brick but at least if the pilot is smart he can get a couple of kills before being shot down by an AIM-7F from an F-4S or R-24R from a MiG-23ML, but if necessary 11.7 would be the most reasonable BR it could go up to for this change.

I’m trying to make this plane reasonably suited for the current AIR-RB situation, cause killing ground targets doesn’t really give you that much rewards RP wise, and matches go really fast meaning you are on a tight schedule to do your job, if there’s anything left for you, and killing player vehicles is the best way to grind and learn the game, but R-60Ms aren’t good enough for the Su-24 and the BR that it is at.

For this ending statement I would like to know, if you don’t agree with me, why it shouldn’t receive what it uses in real life, because the fencer is still used today with the R-73.

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12.0 will be a terrible br for it with r73s

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Be thankful they didn’t give it r3s instead. R60 is too hard to counter for the average walletwarrior

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As I said, the max BR it would go up to would be 11.7, the BR where the Su-25T and Su-39 are, with their R-73s

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I like the Su-24 being 11.3, I do not want Su-24 to become ~12.7.

Su-25 is not a supersonic aircraft… not comparable.

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Why does bro have pictures of martincitopants in his PC?

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The Su-25T is at least semi-maneuverable, the Su-24 isn’t, it having afterburners and going 1100km/h against jets that are way more light and maneuverable + radar missiles (you aren’t notching anything in the Su-24M) wouldn’t make it so 4 R-73s be op, you would need to use when behind/on the side of people that didn’t notice you and praying to god they don’t start turning before you can get a lock, it’s the same case for the A-10C with it having HMD + AIM-9Ms, it’s not OP or broken but comparably to the Su-24M it’s way better, it wouldn’t need to go to 12.7 due to all the other characteristics, 11.7 would be a fine BR for it, and if we really wanna compare the Su-25SM3 is basically the A-10C but with less missiles and no HMD, and for some reason it’s 12.3

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He is really good meme material, I love that guy

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F-111F should have aim-9m but here we are

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I indeed agree, both should receive their well deserved and historical missiles, but at least the F-111F is a really fast boi, but that wouldn’t be a reason for it not having it’s AIM-9Ms

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Tornado Gr1 with 2x Aim-9Ls is already 11.7.

Tornado Gr4 with 2x Aim-9M is already 12.3

Then Su-24 with 4x R-73s is EASILY 12.3 as well.

Its kinda insane you would think the Su-24 would remain at 11.3 with 4x R-73s

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Yes but no. The stupid “Su-24M2” modification is a terrible addition, only adding a single GPS bomb when in reality the Su-24M2 is a greatly upgraded aircraft. It’s like if the F-15A had an “F-15C” modification that only added AMRAAMs and Gaijin tried to peddle that as a fair and faithful F-15C MSIP.
I’d very much like to see a proper 12.3 Su-24M2 but it needs to be its own vehicle and not a homunculus of Su-24M and M2 components.

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If it’s necessary to go to that BR for it to be a better plane to fly I’m fine with it, although I don’t agree with the tornados being that high of a BR either

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What is the upgrades the Su-24M2 modification should get then? It’s like the T-72B3 UBH modification

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Whether its got R-60s at 11.3 or R-73s at 12.0-12.3. It is still going to be an Su-24. The Tornado Gr4 is going to be DOA in ARB anyway, and extremely hard aircraft to play in ASB at that BR

The problem is that ARB sucks for anything meant for ground attack. Until we see an RB EC gamemode, I suggest learning to play sim instead. No markers means being sneaky works great, big maps mean you can actually evade the enemy team and actual PvE objectives means you actually have a role. Plus the 11.3 Brakcet is totally and completely dominated by the soviets at the moment and literally no one can do anything about the Mig-23MLD at that BR. So you would have total air superiority every match too.

Increasing the BR will mean you will go from dealing with F-4S with Aim-7Fs to dealing with F-4F ICEs with AMRAAM. Let alone the F-16s, Mig-29s and Su-27s.

Id advocate for a weaker A2A loadout to drop the BR down lower, see about getting it more like 10.7 by replacing the R-60Ms with just R-60s or overhaul ARB to make it better for ground attackers rather than opting for a move that would kill the Su-24 completely. Take it from someone who gave up trying to fight F-16s and Mig-29s in the Tornado Gr1 when its only got 2x Aim-9ls, and back when I use to play it in ARB, no CMs and probably a worse FM than the Su-24. Its not worth it

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It would be the case if you actually had only Soviet planes in your team, however nowadays all teams have vehicles from all nations making it so you face the MiG-23MLD yourself in the Su-24… it getting R-60s is out of the question due to the Su-24M never using them, and it would still have faster planes destroying bases before it and yes the best solution would be an AIR-EC mode but that’s way harder than just adding missiles to a jet, it’s a really shitty situation where you need to evaluate what is easiest and within reach to get and not what would be better.

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in ARB yes, In Sim no. Sim has nation vs nation matchmaking still. The absolute best that bluefor can throw against the Mig-23MLD in Sim is either the F-4E or FGR2. That is it. That is the absolute worse you wuld face.

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Yeah I should play sim, however playing it on my grandma’s old notebook is basically impossible, I don’t have my good PC with me cause I’m staying at my grandparents house for a while, I have to say tho that war thunder runs really well on ULQ on old outdated hardware, it’s one of the reasons I love war thunder even though it can be rough sometimes

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Thought only the 24M2 got those?

HMS designator would be cool for sim though.

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And we have the Su-24M2 in-game, it’s a modification inside the Su-24M, so technically it should get R-73s when you research that modification