8.7-7.7BR, modern fire control SPAA, turret stabilizer, composite armor, ERA, laser rangefinder, thermal imaging, APBC, APHE, HEAT, APFDS, ATGM, APDS are all compressed in one range. Heavy tanks cannot face 8.7, and the probability of 7.7 entering 8.7 is extremely high. However, this BR adjustment does not indicate that the decompression of 10.3-9.3 is correct. Correspondingly, better BR adjustments are needed for 8.7 and 7.7
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Yeah I do understand this these BRs are where new technologies meet old once. But what can we do…
Nah. LRF’s are, almost half a century old, if not.
Fire control system is the same of the early Cold War vehicles, it’s just stabilized, in general, modernized but nothing new,
Laser rangefinder also it’s not much of a thing, it depends on the vehicles you’re fighting. ZTS63 is the lowest BR vehicle with Laser rangefinder, 7.7 and it doesn’t make it stronger. It’s a paper thin armor in bad maneuverable chassis.
ERA is also, nothing of a thing, most of them is restricted to maximum of 30mm for kinetic rounds and 200mm for chemical rounds if I’m not wrong.
Thermal, it’s only restricted to very few niche vehicles, it doesn’t not make a huge difference to the performance.
Again, heavy tanks can, and pretty well, deal with 8.7 vehicles. Obviously there’s some specific cases like T-55 or the Strv 103, but it’s not the end of the world. The situation with the currently 9.0 - 9.3 is something to debate because they’re always uptiered to 10.0 or 10.3.
Composite armor? ERA? Laser range finder?
Thermals?
What?
Thermals are 9.3 outside non-stab MBTs.
Laser range finders are primarily 9.0 & 9.3 start.
Stabs are still defeatable.
I’ve had little issue in my 7.7 heavies in 8.7 matches, especially Maus, T32E1, Conq, and IS4M.
Are you really defending the compression between 7.0 and 9.0?
It is horrifically compressed between those BRs.
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Yeah the compression between 7.7 to like 9.3 is kinda crazy. 7.7 vs 8.7 does feel horrendous, a lot worse than say 5.7 to 6.7 due to the tech introduced as the OP mentioned.
There needs to be far more single plane stabilised tanks where possible to bridge the gap between no stabs and full stabs. Also you have tanks at 8.0 with LRF’s and tanks at 8.7 that don’t even have coincidence rangefinders (I’m looking at you T-62) then at 9.0 we have LRF’s with gen 2/3 thermals. It’s a bit whack.
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In what way? Cause 9.0s are all early APFSDS night vision only.
And 7.0s are HEATFS.
With 8.0s having just enough armor to deal with HEATFS and early APFSDS.
Probably the best BR since 4.0 where armor matters.
If you think 7.7 is compressed, then I fear what you think of 5.7.
It came off like you were dismissing the compression at that BR.
5.7 is nowhere near as bad. There’s alot less tech added, and you feel less hopeless in uptiers.
At 8.0 you have unstabilized lightly armoured tanks with APDS/HEAT/HEAT-FS, and at 8.7 you have fully stabilized tanks with APFSDS, LRFs, or even APS. Playing stuff like the MARS 15 sucks because you’ll just be facing tanks that are better in every way. Stabilizers are the worst part about the compression there since the can shoot on the move extremely easily, and will always have a huge advantage.
I don’t think you have played 7.7-8.3 recently if you believe that 4.0 has more compression.
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Ah what do you mean, I love facing T-55 AMDs with LRF, STAB, ERA, APS in my 1950s over-br’d 200mm pen APHE tank, because it’s no longer sold for profit (AMX-50 90/930) while the superior in every way Somua remains at 7.7. The old ‘screw our customers who already bought it hahahahaha’.
The moving of France to 8.0 is criminal. I barely play them now as the maps get smaller and worse and you can’t pen much but APC and Leopards frontally.
7.7-8.0 is PERMA upteir. Especially 8.0. I can remember on one hand the downtiers I’ve had in months at that BR.
I basically don’t play it much anymore. The grind also goes off a cliff to being impossible, then you wonder why the vast majority (70%) of playerbase is BR7 or under… hmmm lol
Yup, first ones were Ruby laser based (big ass pulses) and they were the first type of laser invented. Flash-lamp pumped big ass synthetic ruby rod with some collimation optics infront.
With 8.0s having just enough armor to deal with HEATFS and early APFSDS
Lmao tell me you never played France without telling me lol.
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I was thinking of the first viable military operated one, by the Swedish navy in, I think 65’ or 66’
Both the Char and AMX-50 are overtiered and should be 7.7. Uptiers in 7.7 France are just brutal, since many tanks have enough armour to force you to aim, while also having the ability to shoot on the move.
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8.0 there’s swapped tech.
You have no-armor with good APFSDS rounds, some armor with trash APDS rounds.
You have stabilizers with bad ammo/armor.
You have laser range finders on obscure stuff with bad rounds compared to others.
You have one absolutely hilariously powerful tank without a stabilizer: AMX-30B2.
It’s diverse. It’s not inherently compressed, it’s about the same as M18s fighting T-34-57s fighting Tiger 1s fighting M36B2s.
Diverse tech, but close enough to not matter too much.
The most powerful tank at 8.7 is objectively AMX-30B2 and it doesn’t have a stabilizer… or armor.
@N4CR
My stats for rank 5 and 6 BTW:
So since I do play France, your comment has to be talking about yourself…
I got my 3rd nuke using 7.7 France on Seversk BTW. 7.7 is easy, even in up-tiers.
Also 3:1 in Foch… what? Can’t remember how I did that.
I do not believe that. I figured that the Tam would be the best since it has a bit of everything. Or the Obj 122, which I believe is an incredibly good tank. It should be 9.0, but it can’t go up due to compression. I also don’t believe that a tank without a stabilizer will be remotely as good as one that has one (unless there is a major performance disparity somewhere else).
It is still very compressed, however. Denying that there is compression will only harm the BRs more.
TAM has a stab and a laser range finder.
AMX-30B2 has the best MBT round at 8.7, thermals, and laser range finder.
All while just missing out on a stab.
Obj 122 also lacks a good round.
Stabilizers mostly matter for sniping, which you shouldn’t be doing often in the AMX-30B2 anyway.
In closer quarters it matters less, ambushing it doesn’t matter at all, and in cities the roads are smooth.
Isn’t it the other way around? When sniping, you don’t need to move as much or shoot on the move, while closer range combat nearly forces it. And why wouldn’t you want to snipe when you have thermals and a great round?
I just don’t believe that not having a stabilizer isn’t detrimental, when 8.3 tanks without one are much worse because of it. I know you can shoot on the move, but it isn’t perfect, and it isn’t always reliable. You can’t effectively kill people who know your location, and it’s damn near impossible to actually push for someone.
But it has some of the best survivability somehow. It bounces rounds a lot, while also not dying that easily. I want it to be 9.0, because there is no justification for it to be facing 7.7 vehicles.
When sniping you need to pop up then reverse as fast as possible after firing.
That requires both a reverse gear and stabilizer.
As for cities, the defensive always has advantage regardless, and if you’re flanking then you have all the response time in the world.
Obj 122 is a T-54-like armor.