The F-104s are absolute garbage, the F-100 is pretty fat so not a problem for 8.3s. The issue comes with planes like the MiG-19 and MiG-21 which are supersonic, AND still good dogfighters. Supersonics fighting subsonics isn’t inherently an issue.
This wouldn’t be necessary with decomp.
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The point u missed is that the performance gap is a way bigger issue from 8.3 to 9.3 compared to 7.3/7.7-8.3.
Ur not ”wrong” in what u said But ur not fully right either that its the same issue. Fighting a 9.3 supersonic jet in ur 8.3 jet is more complicated than figthing a 8.3 jet in ur 7.7/7.3 jet.
Why u may ask…Since almost all 9.3 have afterburner and most can reach supersonic theres not much u can do unless the guy makes some massive mistake. In ur 7.3/7.7 the only issue u really have is that most stuff are about 50-100 km/h faster than u but this is their TOP TOP speed, fighting at 1050+ kmh usually wont get u many kills unless ur shooting at AFK or stalling players that are paying ZERO attention. While the 9.3 jets are litterly BUILT to fight way over 1000 kmh and on top of that they got Aim9Es, red top etc. These missiles become way more dangerous on a supersonic compared to a f9f that can barely push 1000 kmh.
And u might say ”oh but ive shot down plenty of 104s in my migs and sabres” Thats not the point so have all of us and since u brought virginal flowers statshark up u can bring mine, Majstora or whoever u want and see that we do more than well in 8.3+ jets and even in our 7.7 and 7.3 jets which u say get completely shitted on by sabres and migs btw…LOL
Either way ur not wrong with what u brought up but u clearly missed the whole performance gap problem that Majstora said
yeah I just don’t think it is. You are in the same predicament in both situations
I don’t really agree, like I said
Same way the ww2 jets cant catch a guy with literally 2-3x their thrust that also turns well.
lol? That is not the difference between an F-86F or 15bis and a Me-262 or other early jet. It’s much greater.
I didn’t do that.
same with me
Now this is no offense but statistics dont lie. In what way are u doing well with the 7.3/7.7 jets?
Theres only one 262 at 7.3 as far as im aware and that plane seems to be ur only arguemnt how come?
Statistics don’t “Lie” they also have no mouth and can’t tell stories directly. You have to have all the context and nuance of them to understand what they signal. What jets do you think I don’t do well in?
??? F-86A-5 is 8.0 and sees the entire jet bracket, so does MiG-15bis ISH. I also wasn’t solely referring to the Me-262, don’t know how you come to that conclusion. I said all early jets (so 7.0-8.0) do poorly when facing MiG-15 (any type, but especially bis) and F-86 (any type).
I do well in pretty much 99% of planes I play so it’s hard to believe you have found anything other than a few jets I played back in 2017-2020 when I was new. You can PM me if you want to continue that line of thought
You are not to use other peoples stats at all, this not up for debate as I said debate the topic not the user.
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OK, let me rephrase this for you so you may see how much of an issue we have, forget the full 1.0 br spread
Lets do 0.7. do you think the a5 sabre, mig15 can be competitive against the f2 sabre, mig17
Let’s assume you agree on that
Now, lets take the cl13, the mig17 and the f2 sabre and scale that up 0.6 against the f104, f106 and even just the su7
They don’t come close, they completely dictate the match because of the speed difference, they are able to ground pound and reduce tickets uncontested, get back to the airfield and reload twice as quick and just run away.
This is where the issue starts, and this is the whole point and what you are missing and if you cannot see that or willing to acknowledge that then I don’t know what to say. But then you did say a nf13 stands zero chance against an f86 or mig 15. Which btw, is so off the mark it’s incredible you even stated that with such confidence
How about a f40 against a mirage or f4c phantom, you think that is the same performance gap between an mig 15 and f40?
That’s where AIM-9Bs come into place
MiG-17s should face F-14s for historical accuracy
Dude the ME-262 is bad even in a downtier.
9.3 are pretty strong when using 8.3 but it’s not impossible. Still agree all 9.3 and above should probably go up a rating. F104 isn’t a big issue; you might never be able to kill him but he mostly can never kill you if you are watching yourself. The real issue ones are the ariete and f106 and mostly mig19.
The bigger issue is 9.3->10.3. The f6c having 20g missiles instead of 10g of mig19 and only being 0.3 rating higher is absurd. And the 10.3s rail everything even harder because for who knows why 0.3 gets you flares and more 20g missiles. Probably the most unbalanced plane rating in the whole game.
It’s not just 8.3-9.3. It’s everywhere.
Me-262’s fighting Mig-15’s and Sabres.
Mig 15’s and Sabres fighting early Mig 21’s and F104’s.
Early Mig-21’s and F104’s fighting late Mig-21’s, J7D, and F8U’s.
You get the idea. Compression is plaguing this game, and it’s getting exhausting. I wish Gaijin would listen to the community for once and actually do something about it.
I swear why are people so obsessed with comparing stats, being better won’t prove your point bruh
Aaaaaaand there we go
I’m not even gonna bother, there’s no way to take people like you down to have a proper conversation
It is everywhere, but from 8.3 onwards it is exacerbated. substantially. Which is what the original point of this thread was