You mean like the BOL and extra missiles?
Hasn’t it already tested Scorpion in 2014
They basically did what they could for the F-15 while the other Gen 4.5s have a lot more left in the tank when it comes to open reports.
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Dont forget to talk about the Mikoyan Project 1.44
some say it inspired the J-20 (I don’t) but no less it is a good plane and it flew (without permission)
its a 5th gen or maybe a 4.9 gen plane but what do you think? Does it count?
The EF got extra missiles, right?
Yeah, and?
Its Gaijin, they wont buff a thing unless they think it actually needs it.
So clearly they though the EFT needed a buff.
Still surprised they did that though.
Theyve been nerfing the Typhoon since day one
How is the F15 getting extra missiles a buff to fight the EF if the EF also got extra missiles?
When you say the 4.5th gens should get buffs to fight 5th gens, what would those be?
Whoever takes off first and fires the first two 400 km, 70G+ missiles within the first three seconds after leaving the runway wins the match.
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Maybe because the EFT needed buffs to fight the Su-30SM2 and Rafale?
Why should the EFT be excluded from getting buffs but everyone else is allowed to continue getting them?
It depends on how the stealth is modeled. If the F-22 has a short detection range (Like 10-20km) , then the Gen 4.5s should get a weapon to offset that, this could be next Gen ARH or next IIR. (though this could be offset by proper IRST sensor fusion and properly ranged IRST, with the ability to fire ARH via IRST)
Likewise the EFT has other outstanding buffs, such as AMK, Upgraded PIRATE and DASS, Britecloud, etc etc. A missile advantage is also possible. F-22 that cant be detect until 15-20km with Aim-120C5s vs Typhoon with Meteor might be reasoanbly balanced, at least in some regards (as the main advantage of meteor is completely destroyed in this situation)
There are plenty of options to buff the EFT further
But the key point here is the stealth on the Gen 5s. If they can be detected at 50-60km, then it shouldnt be too much of an issue and htey can continue operating as largely peers (i.e if the F-22 gets Aim-9X, EFT gets ASRAAM/IRIS-T)
From everything I know, yeah thats around the correct ballpark, it should maybe be a bit less from better angles or if active jamming was in play, but its about what we can expect in game imo.
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Im kinda of the opinion that the range you will be using long ranged ARH wont actually change that much from what we already have. Like sure, Meteor has 100km LSZ, which means that even at 100km, the target cannot defeat the missile simply by going cold, instead htey have to notch and chaff, that is still gunna be very easy to do at longer ranges. Much like how C5s are rarely fired at much distance because of this (though they are kinematically defeatable quite often and I dont trust the in-game LSZ display)
So you’d probably still want to be firing something like Meteor at 20-30km just to make it harder to notch in time and give less warning
60km would be plenty in-game
Not only if they think it needs it, but also if buffs are even available. The F-15s are basically tapped out in terms of how many buffs are left, especially after the sustained turn rate report got shut down.
It would be barely a difference to now if Gaijin doesnt enlarge the maps
Which I dont think I have any issue with.
They hold an advnatage in something like ASB, but they dont destroy ARB
Neither do i but i can think of 2 distinct playerbases that might suffer a mild meltdown if they are not 100% invisible to radar /s
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Yeah… Make sure to buy extra popcorn
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could the F-35 have been running outer IR’s? or at a weak angle for the stealth
Yeah 60km would be at a slightly weak angle. Around the 0.0015 figure is close enough to an idealized front aspect from what i’ve heard from people in the industry and from various research papers published on it.
For an example of how RCS effects detection range, please see this chart, it’s not perfectly accurate, but it was made by someone far more knowledgeable then me based off of several books on the topic and their background in radio engineering. And is from everything I know, about as accurate a chart for this kinda thing you can get without going into full simulations. And also is about comparable how warthunder handles RCS too, to my knowledge.
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Isn’t the AIM-9R an optical imaging seeker rather than an IIR seeker for the fact that it does not work at night?