That’s very much in-line with other aircraft. P-51s were notorious for this I believe, maybe even at a lower G load due to the ammo feeds being on top of each other.
The argument of mouse aim and accuracy has been rebuked on this thread already, of which I’m not blaming you for not reading the entire thing. This thread is huge enough as it is. So I’m just going to quote the whole thing for you. Me and Killa already went out of our way to determine how much AP roughly it would take to saw off a wing in War Thunder. Look at the Aug-7 posts on this thread. Similarly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmVDExnysHY
You can see where there are clean 20mm hits on bombers. In game, this would destroy them and these are sufficient bursts.
Loofah already made posts on 20mm effectiveness on here as well. I’ll also need to find the other gif I showed, demonstrating that a 20mm to the P-51C’s fuselage can snap it with one round.
No, they’d still have a purpose. As one shot machines. Like they already are. but the incendiary function of .50’s are missing heavily on hits that would set an opponent alight. That’s the whole point:
Leave 20mms alone as they are in game, you hit me. I snap.
Buff .50 incendiary effects to 2016 level. So everyone has cartoonishly OP weapons now. So when I hit your oil, or when I hit your fuel. You burn.
20mm cannons can split planes in half or severely cripple them with singular hits but as we saw with IRL british testing, 20mm cannon fire shouldn’t be doing that large amount of damage. The gun footage shows an 190 A-7 shredding a B-24 and it did nothing.
1/3rd is not “most” of it missing, and you’re taking the worst case scenario. Not only that, you’re forgetting this portion of the source information
“Generally speaking, the more powerful weapons were able to provide sufficient destructive power with only one or two projectile types, so belts were less varied. As we have seen, an equal mix of HEI and SAPI became standard in the RAF’s 20mm Hispanos, whereas the 30mm MK-108 principally relied on the M-Geschoss HEI it was designed for…”
You’re using the 1/3rd argument as that was a generalized amount for how little they might put in their planes depending on the mission. I.e. ground strafing lightly armored targets. But you try to push this to the worst conclusion possible, while trying to ignore the information literally in the next paragraph as it stated that cannon armed aircraft carried less varied shell types and relied on what would be their bread and butter ammunition types.
To assume 20mm armed aircraft going to interdict bombers are going to be carrying the utter minimum of high explosive ammunition and incendiary when their whole mission is bomber interception, is insanity, and to make your point, you have to actively bank on pilots and their ground crews being actively dumb.
You’re trying to argue to strengthen your point while ignoring what the resource said literally a paragraph later. Your whole 1/3rd argument you’re banking on is either done out of case of arguing in bad faith, or you literally never read past the first paragraph. At which, I’m heavily inclined to believe the former.
Of which only popped holes into the side of which british testing concluded these would be dangerous but survivable (Unless you assume you’re smarter than the countless engineers testing the ammunition)
LOL… They were never one shot machines… Ok… If you hit the pilot, maybe…
Actually, I´m trying out the US tech tree. And it is way easier to hit your target. The “lack” of bullet drop is a broken advantage in every aspect of a fight. Every degree, you have to pull up the nose of your plane less, lets you keep more energy… More energy, the more likely you are able to win a fight.
And the range of these things is just unreal…
In most situations, I managed to hit the engine. 1 hit and your enemy has to rtb…
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To be clear, I’m not sure on the 8-10 Gs. It might be more or less, that’s just the number my brain conjured, which might be actual memory, or could just be the brain spitting up something random that sounds right.
Gotta disagree here. Especially later belts contain 80-100% API and with how API rounds are implemented, they are simply far to effective in setting fires.
One time I set a He 111 on fire from 1.5km using early war belts with 1/3 Incendiary rounds, which don’t even have that infinite incendiary range like API bullets. And the slower a round, the closer the incendiary flash happends near the impact area, instead of getting it inside the plane and near the fuel.
Fuel tank fires will kill a plane in, I would say more than 66% of times, and .50cals used to be so good because 20mm cannons wouldn’t instantly rip a wing or tail off.
Thus .50cals felt very strong in taking out planes, since they could set fires so frequently and from practically any range or angle, which they still can do.
Only difference now is that explosive rounds, be it 12.7mm or 20mm are now so effective in destroying wings that you don’t even need to rely on incendiary effect to take out planes.
So 20mm used to underperform in effectivness compared to .50cals, even though the damage was much more realistic back then.
Now both are more effective then they should be.
Black sections are never a guarantee of death.
This was in Sim, my tail took a lot of damage, was blacked out, and I lost tail controls. Still landed.
Self explanatory, landed
Won a head-on against an M13 and put out a fire
That really depends on what your enemy is doing, seen plenty of times where enemies or myself survived 20mm hits.
Well you need to rewatch that Bf 110 gun camera video then.
No, you are.
For starters, I’m not assuming anything. I am pointing out an unknown variable, relevant to a country that had shortages of just about everything, for a plane on which the 20mm cannons weren’t even its primary damage dealer against bombers.
(that I’m not making)
Dangerous implies they COULD have resulted in deadly damage.
Sounds plausible, and good enough for an internet argument lol.
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got that backwards
Ok… whats your point?
Many of the US planes have 4 or more .50 cal. They have literally no bullet drop, and fire at 1.5km distance and more, and are still powerful enough to destroy an engine at this distance…
You do not need much aiming to hit more than enough rounds to damage an aircraft… even at more than 1.5 km…
What else do you want?
Just click at a random position on your screen, and you get a kill???
The BF 109 has one… ONE!!! 20mm… and if someone iis able to hit you with it, the kill is more than deserved.
Here… I show you how “bad” the .50 cals are… My crew was at Level 6… And I’m not even familiar with that plane…
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20mms are better in everything except max firing range.
Someone should ban you for trolling…
naah this arcade goofy goober can’t be serious after performing well in a P-39