you can do that with 2 .50 cal too. difference is that a 20mm is 8mm larger in diameter so of course it’s gonna do it better.
mf whos never played other nations but USA for enough time to learn how a vehicle works. all .50 browning is the exact same across all nations who use it, this isn’t a “USA suffers” its a “USA skill issue”
Also you have a incredible K/D in the p47 which uses .50 browning why are you whining they obviously work very well
smaller cartridge so lower velocity, the bullet will be same diameter. the difference is in the actual shot, do you have the differences in explosive or incendiary fillers? as tbh from using the jap 13.2mms on the NK9H I could not tell you the difference in damage between that and a .50 browning
Such a skill issue. Yes. I have such a skill issue that my bullets just simply do no damage while some random crapbox Ki-44 can click me once or twice and my plane turns to mush.
.50s are at the second most weakest point they’ve ever been as gaijin has removed almost any and all structural damage form the round. Unless you shoot DIRECTLY where the fuselage is at, and line up your convergence JUST PERFECTLY. Then you can do something. Some random Mig-3 can click me once or twice and his 12.7s obliterate me. Meanwhile, ANY. ANY round with even a tinkly wink of ‘explosive filler’ no matter how small hits like a truck due to ‘realshatter’.
The only time the .50 was weaker than what we have currently was when gaijin nerfed it back in 2014/2015 where it was a guaranteed firestarter. They nerfed it so hard, that API-T didn’t work anymore and you had to use GROUND TARGETS to do any reasonable damage.
using omni purpose ammo vs specialised ammo how fair and equal and totally not poor show from you at all for this comparison plus you should know by now that protection analysis is always squiffy.
you’re mad you got outplayed and are blaming the ammo.
must not have hit anything to catch fire. we all are taking minimum fuel 95% of the time its not surprising
third weakest. the Japanese .50cal is worse. and who would guess the 12mm is worse than a 20 or 30mm.
nose mounted, much easier to smack your pilot or fuselage fuel tank.
russian 12.7 is also a smidge better than .50 browning
His entire fuel tank. I literally peppered the entire wing.
didn’t argue that .50 is stronger than 20mm. You put those words in my mouth. Not me. My issue is that there are nations that have the exact same caliber as U.S. .50s but they are MASSIVELY stronger than the U.S. .50s. In fact you should scroll up and actually read a little bit what I said before.
Not cope. I showed how much stronger their 12.7mm is. It can blacken a wing in one shot.
U.S. .50s can’t copy that damage.
It’s because gaijin considers anything with ‘explosive filler’ as insanely strong for no reason. Mixed with wet paper DMs you end up with aircraft that just break apart with ease.
Thing is is that most of U.S. has AP so it does very little damage to wing structure and because gaijin doesn’t even consider regular incendiary filler to actually have any kind of detonation effect. It just smacks the skin doing no damage. You in essence have a completely useless piece of ammunition. Compound this that the fixed ‘real shatter’ has made explosive weapons more powerful, far too powerful even. You wind up with MGs with barely enough explosive filler to rub between your fingers capable of ripping wings off in 2 shots. while the U.S. you have to grind them down or strike the fuselage.
Problem is there’s people who think this is realistic. But if that was the case, the U.S. would do everything possible to swap to 20mm during the war, logistics be damned, their opponents weapons are way better. or would’ve slipped HE filler in their bullets.
But gaijin admits this is due to gameplay purposes, but you now have insanely strong damaging machine guns while U.S. machine guns are missing any kind of damage.
My point is that everyone can kill eachother with ease. Everyone has super strong guns that can rip someone apart or generally severely cripple with one hit.
The U.S. on the other hand has to fire at a specific convergence and at a specific target to cause any damage while fires are entirely based on RNG.
My point is. If everyone’s guns are broken. Why aren’t mine?
I guarantee that a B-17 wing is getting hit by more than two 20mms before coming off. Might be two visible, but that means probably at least 6-8 actually hit, and that’s on the low end.
blatantly wrong
the russian 12.7mm is better because they actually are
Japanese 12,7 is objectively worse
situation, point of hit, which shell and which airframe.
I’ve been shot down by a single American .50 to a wing a lot. i know that it can as I’m a player that’s actually been on the receiving end of all of the relevant cartridges and taken note
so you know how the game works. use a belt with HE if you want a HE shell. the little burning boi isn’t the explody boi.
You’re right it’s not realistic. But the question is. How are you going to change it? Aircraft airframes during the war were insanely lopsided. A single Bf-109 going to engage a B-17 would be suicidal, and currently, bombers have no place in the game so you’ll find issues with them just gun shipping.
If you went with realistic damage, you’ll find people dreading trying to fight different aircraft because they’re just plain hard to shoot down mixed with their performance and so on.
Then with the current game structure you’ll run into issues at which point you’re asking gaijin to overhaul the game, which they won’t do. Because it’s been the same since 2013.
So the way they’re doing it is best in their eyes with the current per view that they don’t have to shake things up too much. Bro. They’re grinding their teeth when it comes to people’s demands of 8v8 matches for top-tier.
I don’t see how giving incendiary a slight high explosive effect would honestly change much to the game besides actually make it easier to use U.S. aircraft, most of which don’t even fit how gaijin designed the game.
must confess i do go into gound battles with the direct intention of just bullying CAS bombers by literally firing a single hispano shot and deleting a wing. Gotten better at it than I often like to admit.
Ive even one tapped nuke bombers on many occasions by laying in wait above the path to the battlefield in a mk24 spit as soon as I heard sirens. Scummy I know but its very effective