4,7 cm Pak 35/36 L/35,6 (ö) "Böhler" auf Sfl. Bren (e)

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I would like to suggest the 4,7 cm Pak 35/36 L/35,6 (ö) “Böhler” mounted on the Bren Carrier.
To be more precise there appear to be 2-3 generations. Overall it may be another vehicle from Beckers Bautrupp. (Thats the person that build a lot of the interesting tank conversion). Generation 1 appears to be a Bren carrier with the normal infantry mount and normal round shield with cutouts for the wheels (but without wheels), generation 2 has a new 14,5 mm rectangular small shield and generation 3 a big 14,5 mm shield that protects the whole crew. However it may also be just 2 generations and generation 2 (because of so few pictures) is just genetation 3 while beeing build and is just incomplete. I suggest the final big shield of 14,5 mm.

Beyond that its (likely) build by Beckers Bautrupp after or during the France campain nothing more is pretty much known and at least 6 vehicles were build.

The Bren carrier also known as Selbstfahrlafette Bren (e) was captured in greater numbers during the france campain as they were left behind from the retreating british units.

The Gun, the 4,7 cm Pak 35/36 L/35,6 (ö) “Becker” is a classic early multi purpose infantry gun design, which was even liked by the italian and licensed produced under 47mm 47/32 gun. While the original austrian gun from the company Becker is noted as L/35,6 or L/39 and is usually seen with a pepper box style muzzle break and will have (because of the choice of ammo) a slightly greater performance than the allready found in game italian copy. It went into German service after the addition of the Austrian empire into the German Reich as well as was captured from Netherland storage (Kanon van 4.7) and later russian stock (M35B).
Overall it was for its time a good and modern design with relatively good AT performance as well as He performance against infantry.

Sadly information (even tho its such a relatively widely used gun) is a bit scars, but not impossible.

In game it would offer a similar playstyle to the Panzerjäger I Ausf. B with less armor, a bit bigger, weaker gun but faster and eaqually sneaky. It would offer a good sidegread and show the need of the german army in WW2 to use and modify captured equipment to fill their own gaps.

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The Gun:
4,7 cm Pak 35/36 L/35,6 (ö)
And on 3 pictures visible an Mg 34 in the original Bren Carrier Mg position).
2,8 Sec Reload speed (ballancing) -15° to +56° Elevation, 62° Traverse. 14,5 mm Gunshield
Ammo:
It it unique in the german army, as it will have pently of different rounds to use made by the german army. It has its original Aphe round, the Pzgr. 36(t) with adapted driving band of the original austrian ammo (even visible on the Blueprint), He grenades and even Pzgr. 40. (This gun appears to be loaded stronger than the italian copy, this is also a reason why it uses a muzzle brake and the italian copy not.)

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4,7 cm Pak 35/36 L/35,6 (ö)
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Originally a Austrian gun, after Austria connected to the German Reich, many guns were also adapted into the german army, used as light infantry guns as they had both relatively good Ap and He rounds, as well as mounted of a couple of Captured and own Vehicles such as Bren Carriers and Morris CDSW.
It was also build under licenced copy by the italians as the 47/32 M35 gun. And later on also captured Netherlands and Russian stock of the gun (Kanon van 4.7 and M35B).

It was integrated into the german arsenal with even having own production ammo, as well as czech ammo adapted to it. And duo to the usage of a Muzzle brake it could fire higher charge ammo, than the Italian copy.
Used the same rounds (shells) as the 4,7 cm Pak (t)

Caliber: 47mm

Ammo: 47x195mmR

Fire Rate: 20 rpm

Single Shot, Horizontal Breechblock

Muzzle velocity: 595 - 880 m/s

Weight: ? kg

Mounting: Pak 35/36 Mount

Ammo Types: Aphe, Apc, Apcr, He


Ap:


Pzgr. L'Spur (Aphe) 1,45kg 25g Trotyl 650m/s 52mm/10m


Pzgr.35(ö) umg. (Aphe) 1,51 kg 15g TnT 640m/s 55mm/10m

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Pzgr.36(t) (Apc (no Tracer)) 1,65 kg 15g TnT 630m/s 64mm/10m

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Pzgr.36(t) L'Spur (Apc) Identical to the normal one, but equipped with Tracer unit Nr. 8

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Pzgr.40 (Apcr) 0,86 kg 21x75 mm 335g Core 880m/s 88mm/10m

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He:


Sprgr.M35 (He) 1,48 kg 175g Fp.02 and Np.10 (220,5g) 595/650m/s

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The Vehicle:
Weight Loaded: 3.75 ton
Weight unloaded: 3.19 t
Length: 3.65 m
Width: 2.06 m
Height: 1.57 m
Crew: 4 (Driver, Gunner, Loader, Mg Gunner (next to driver)
Engine: 3.9-litre Ford V8 petrol
Eigne Power: 85 hp at 3,500 rpm
Suspension: Horstmann
Fuel capacity: 91 L
Operational range: 250 km
Maximum speed: 48 km/h
Armour: 7–10 mm, 14,5 mm Gunshield.

Source:
Geschossringbuch I
Ringbuch der Sprengladungen I
Munition der 4,7 cm Pak(t)
Universal Carriers Volume 1: Dragon – Armoured MG – Cavalry – Scout – AOP – Bren – Lloyd – Universal
The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II: The Comprehensive Guide to Over 1,500 Weapons Systems, Including Tanks, Small Arms, Warplanes, Artillery, Ships and Submarines

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Love these makeshift design. Cooler than any incel leopard or t-90

This is what War Thunder needs more of. These are the tanks which make the game interesting. And I agree with the above commenter. This is far cooler than another Leopard 2 or T-72/T-80/T-90. +1

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Nice vehicle.

What is your Source for the ammunition used on the Böhler gun? It seems unlikely, that Germany puts much effort into adapting the Czech ammunition for the Böhler gun, as most of the guns were sold, used in coastal defense, for training or with 3. line units. What they actually did, was adapting the the original aphe shell for use with the 4,7 cm Pak (t) by changing the driving band from a narrow one with a wider one. (“4,7 cm Pzgr. 35(ö)” → “4,7 cm Pzgr. 35(ö) umg.”)

Ammo probably used:
4,7 cm Pzgr. 35 (ö)
4,7 cm Pzgr. (h)
Both ~1.45kg aphe (~630 m/s)

For HE, the “Sprgr. M35” seems to be the original one (~2.4kg ~320 m/s). The Netherlands probably had their own copy of it.

Captured ammunition in the East (ex-Latvian, ex-Estonian): Highly unlikely used, as the guns were either directly used as anti-tank guns or were placed into coastal bunkers.

The use of Italian ammunition is possible, but was probably only served with the original Italian guns/tanks/spg’s.

While somewhat weaker gun/ammuntion-wise, it comes with a 4 men crew + MG at the same size as the Panzerjäger I.

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Im not shure what kind of APHE this is, but by RH 8/122


Pzgr. L'Spur (Aphe) 1,45kg 25g Trotyl 650m/s 52mm/10m


Max V0 for the Sprgr. M.35 can be 650m/s

yess more little tanks +1

+1 for small tanks

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