1- There were no Leopard 2A7s, the main counterparts to it apart from the Strv 122s, since they are the only tanks with equivalent armor while having other advantages.
2- Autoloader modules weren’t modelled, so their firepower could never ever be interrupted.
3- Most importantly; a bug prevented T-80’s ammo to detonate when being hit. It still happens occasionally, but, back then, it was the absolute majority of the times.
4- Most NATO tanks didn’t have the reload speed advantage they do now (Abrams, Leclerc, Ariete, Merkava…)
So… yeah. T-80BVM used to be WAY better than it is now. Now, it’s asymmetrically roughly equivalent to the Abrams; not great, not terrible. But, 2 years ago, it was simply the best tank in the game along with the 122s (only true counters it had back then).
I would like to know more about how Statshark is getting all-player data, but their presentation is really impressive. Answers a LOT of questions about the state of the game if you dig in.
Why are you bringing up vehicles in a team skill topic?
Either way the skilled players clearly moved to other tech trees again.
This happened when they moved from Japan and USA to Soviets, and from Soviets to Swedes, and so on.
Not only this but you’re using an anecdote as well.
Weakest of the OP missiles is still OP regardless, and they’re getting stronger next major now that you can lock the ground from 30km instead of 20km for better preparation.
It’s definitely worth taking into account, that back then, 122’s were nowhere near as common as BVM’s. Sweden was still the new nation on the block.
Both 122 & BVM were monsters in that era on an individual level, But if you’re an Abrams, Chally, Ariete, Leclerc etc player, The one or two 122’s you encounter each game, are nowhere near as influential in their strength as the almost full side of BVM’s you come up against every match.
Yes, and that’s why ever since and to this day I continue to ask for counterparts to these and disappointed that it’s been more than a year since we last for a Rank VIII MBT.
I don’t know how’s that relevant to the topic of BVM being the best/untouchable vehicle in the game ?
You should look at vehicles themselves, not at the popularity of the nations they’re in.
You are probably taking things a bit too, uh… literal?
By “untouchable” we are talking about “drastically superior to all or most of its counterparts”, not “absolutely literally untouchable” xD
Besides, it wouldn’t be contradictory even on a literal sense. The only vehicle that can reliably counter an “untouchable” one is another “untouchable” vehicle.
No, but it makes 12x T-80BVMs better than 2x Strv 122s.
Not really, im not a new player. You don’t need 2a7 or 2a6 for that matter. Abrams loader buff is unfair still to this day. Leos and m1s using the same gun but loader must be better lol.
These round’s definitely made things like Chally substantially worse by demoting it to the lol-pen hull club, but barely affected BVM. The area’s DM33 & DM53 can pen a BVM are practically identical. Relikt still eats the latter.
Like I said, individually both 122 & BVM were monsters, and yeah, 122 arguably was better. But we are still ultimately playing a team game, and the quality composition of the team is an important factor.
I think we are getting too caught up on the words used above like ‘untouchable’, and not the wider point being made that BVM’s allowed RU to enjoy a period of relative dominance at top tier. Takes both quality and quantity to achieve that. That’s all i’m pointing out.
If something is untouchable it should be by far the best at it’s BR, without literally any competition, which BVM definitely wasn’t as 122s existed. Same works vice versa.
Both of those were pretty strong, but calling them untouchable is a direct contradiction.
So how does that make either untouchable, as it’s obvious from your statement that they would be touchable ?
And what does BVM has to do with RU being a more popular nation ?
We’re talking about specific vehicle here, not it’s nation’s popularity or number.
Oh for sure, whenever we have these periods where one nation is on top, it’s very multi-faceted.
Even things that had nothing to do with RU played a part. If i recall correctly, 2PL was added as the first purchasable tank in top bracket the update prior. So Germany, who probably should have been the biggest counterweight, was too busy capitulating as case zero of the ODL plague.