Vehicles are just vehicles. I couldn’t care less if they’re from the US, Russia, or China.
If I had a bad experience facing them / using them, then I will point out why I think that may be the case. If I had a good experience facing them / using them, then I will point out why I think that may be the case too.
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What spaced armour?
This kind of spaced armour?
Maybe this kind of spaced armour?
Where do you see this spaced armour???
If you’re talking about the side skirts, almost all tanks have them. The 2A4 is not special in that aspect.
And it shouldn’t be surprising to you that I am going to state, again, that the RDF-LT and the HSTV-L has to face 2A7Vs with spall liners and Strv 122B+ with composite side armour (and spall liners), which are much bigger issues for them than the side skirts on the 2A4 that the 2S38 has to deal with.
Technically all tanks can flank. Most great players flank with their MBTs, even though they’re not in a light tank. It’s beneficial for any tank to flank. The only difference is that light tanks can do it quicker and can often get to the positions first before the enemies arrive. 2S38 and said MBTs just have to force your way into flanks. It may not be easy, but when you do, you can easily reap the benefits afterwards. You may not even have to get into a frontal engagement. Often times (from my experience) the enemy gives you an open passage to their flanks without any resistance. You just need to find the right opportunity and passage.
In some cases, I agree with you. The ATGMs can one-shot kill quite a lot of things, and you can shoot them on the move. They are good for close-range engagements, but anything more than ~300m the ATGMs start becoming an issue. The enemy could have a worse reaction time than you and you wouldn’t be able to connect the ATGM before they already killed you with SABOT.
At that point, I would rather have the 2S38. The 2S38 is also better against aircraft to a noticable degree.
When you’re unwilling to change your mind about something as grey as this, you aren’t worth debating about anything. It isn’t as clear-cut as you may think it is.
Some of my most played vehicles are from USSR.
And I especially adore the Su-25T, Yak-141, and the Su-122-54.
Am I now a Russian main because of this?
I play a variety of nations, since most nations have something special to offer.
If I think the vehicles are good, I will try to explain why.
If I think the vehicles are bad, I will try to explain why.
My takes may not always be ‘correct’, but I try to point out what I don’t agree with (either factually or opinion), and at least I hope that I am open-minded when I talk to other people (of course, only when they talk civilized as well).
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Because Sweden didn’t buy or field it. Neither do they really need it, they already have a wide selection of good vehicles. If every nation got the same treatment as Sweden with tested or acquired vehicles being added, the USA could get, but not limited to: Tiger 2, PUMA, pantsir, T-90, Renault FT, BMP-1, Matilda 2, T-72, Ratel, Marder, AMX-10. (Using USA as an example because they have the largest selection of foreign vehicles)
Lets be real. No one wants that. WW2 vehicles can kind of get away with it because they were often captured then used in combat and retrofitted. Those vehicles are rare event or premium ones. The Swedish tiger 2 was massively pushing it. It was bought from elsewhere then only tested on as target practice. Pretty certain it wasn’t even fired. Sweden should stop getting this special teatment. I don’t get why gaijin specially allowed them to recieve vehicles like this.
E-100, prototypes and vehicles like that are their own matter.
Also I do agree 2s38 should be taken up to 11.0 if something like the otomatic, which has same features but with a radar and larger profile, is 11.3.
Light tanks that are often slower than MBTs at the same BR are in a kind of a predicament and they require a special playstyle.
This is especially true at the top, as MBTs are getting faster and faster. Such a problem is probably one of the biggest reasons light tanks received scout drones, as they need something else to increase their performance levels up to normal level.
Speed and armament simply don’t cut it anymore, at least in my opinion.
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Indeed. I wouldn’t say it’s the easiest but it can still work very well if you have the experience needed.
I would definitely say the 2S38 is not the most noob-friendly premium.
I agree to an extent. I believe 8.0-9.7 MBTs are relatively slow, but then 10.0-11.3 MBTs are much faster.
11.7 - 12.0 MBTs tend to be slightly slower than 10.0-11.3 MBTs just because they are effectively more heavily-armoured 10.0-11.3 MBTs (Think about 2A4 vs 2A6/2A7, or M1 Abrams vs SEP V1 / SEP V2).
Of course, the 11.7-12.0 MBTs are still faster than most 8.0-9.7 MBTs.
Here’s why I believe most Top Tier light tanks are overtiered.
The CV90120 is a great example in my opinion, as it’s 11.7 with similar firepower and mobility as 11.7 MBTs; however, it sacrifices a lot of armour for the ability to scout / use drone, and to have better FCS.
That isn’t worth it in most cases in my opinion, so all these 11.3+ MBTs (a part from less-meta MBTs like the ones from USSR , China, Italy, France, and Britain) should all go up in BR by at least 0.3 in my opinion.
So although the 2S38 is probably in one of the worst BR bracket in terms of seeing ultra-mobile MBTs (10.7-11.3), I think its FCS (decent sight and ~Gen 2 thermals) and gun handling (great turret rotation speeds etc), as well as the good-enough gun for most front-on engagements against most MBTs at or above its BR (especially in full downtiers) makes up for it.
Stuff like the Centauro I 120, CV90120, and HSTV-L may be slightly better off than the 2S38 in terms of seeing ultra-mobile MBTs, but the guns they have are comparatively equal to MBTs, and they now lose the FCS / gun handling benefits (as now most 11.7/12.0 MBTs share this quality), and they also now have to face MBTs with much better armour (compared to CV90105 / 2S38 has to, for example) and survivability like spall liners (and even in a full downtier, most NATO MBTs have things like blow-out panels).
10.3 Light tanks are much more fun from my experience than 11.7 Light tanks because of the issues 11.7 light tanks have to endure / face.
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True, it might work in the right hands but getting it to work isn’t that easy, especially against certain enemy vehicles.
Light tanks higher up simply lost their identity, as lights usually always had best mobility, guns, thermals or stuff like that, while trading armor for it. If you simply want to play tanks and don’t care about SP reduction that comes with lights, many light tanks are simply inferior to MBTs.
2S38 definitely benefits from still being able to see tanks with not so great mobility that sit just a few BR steps below or some that have poor gun handling and crappy thermals which definitely increase those tanks’ reaction times. The higher you go, the less vehicles like that you’re going to see and thus your performance will likely drop.
First two definitely aren’t anything special, even more so the Centauro as it’s wheeled and doesn’t have an autoloader. HSTV-L is the best of the bunch, at least to me, as it still has mobility advantage over basically anything and it’s great gun depression allow you to attack from some very weird spots and get a few shots in before the enemy understands what’s going on.
I hope for some decompression at top tier soon-ish, which will definitely help those lights. Of course if Gaijin doesn’t move them up as well lol.
10.3 lights definitely feel more like lights than 11.7 ones.
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Then why isn’t Maus in USSR tree?
11.0? The 2s38 should be 13.0 or 15.0 at the least.
I laughed, nice joke.