2S38 to 11.0

It need’s to be BR 11.0

@MuricaxSuffers
Ah yes… my agenda of wanting all vehicles to be as accurate as possible, which includes my favorites, which are primarily NATO and Japanese tanks.

Clearly a terrible agenda… /s
Edit: A Russian equipment fan got upset at this post. I’m sorry.

You can be sure that we will be more than happy if we see your 10.0 lineup being killed

Real.

Is that the case with Begleitpanzer?
It has dual feed, right?

bagel has it puma as well bradley should have it iirc about dardo and co ? no idea
Also even the marder has a dual feed…

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dardo should have it too, pretty much all bushmaster ingame should have it

Rather than 11.0 the 2S38 should be increased in BR to 11.3 the same as the Otomatic.

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Cause the OTOMATIC fires a superior round and players keep doing well with it.
OTOMATIC’s round is not as weak as 2S38’s.

The Otomatic has access to an APFSDS round sporting 311 penetration.

The 2S38 has access to an APFSDS round sporting 225 penetration.

Neither are full caliber so spalling is a matter of volume of fire.

The 2S38 can take a full belt of this round, the OTOMATIC is limited to 13 rounds of APFSDS.

Comparing these two vehicle’s offensive capabilities on the ground is asinine.

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Imagine deathmachine 2S38 and the anemic Boxer MGS share the same BR of 10.3…

Balancing in WT is not exactly fair.

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The 2S38 shares the same BR as the PUMA while outperforming the PUMA in I’m pretty sure every metric. Better SPAA, better pen, and better post pen damage. Neither vehicles are survivable, they are light tanks, especially after the modules change. Difference is that the 2S38 has a high chance of disabling any MBT from the front with even one shot and definitely 2-3 shots and afterwards can kill any MBT that is sitting there disabled.

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Puma is faster and more armored.
2S38 has a vastly superior round.

Now, whether that reality warrants same BR IDK, all I know is Puma’s in a 10.3/10.7 lineup irrelevant of its BR being 10.0 or 10.3.

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Come on man, you have to give ground somewhere. Either admit the HSTVL needs to come down in BR closer to the 2S38 or admit that the 2S38 needs to go up in BR closer to the HSTVL. Right now you’re just saying “Rules for thee and not for me”. Do you ever get exhausted from your mental gymnastics?

EDIT: Glad I decided to fact check you because the PUMA and 2S38 share the same top speed but nice try.

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@Cythraul98
2S38 already went up in BR.
Top speed =/= total fastness. Acceleration is also an aspect.
HSTVL is the fastest tank in the game firing the 2nd best round out of auto-cannons, with Leopard 2K and Type 90 being 3rd fastest, VT1-2 is 2nd.
2S38 isn’t anywhere close to top 10, Puma likely isn’t either.

As for my consistent rules I apply to all vehicles, that is the opposite of “rules for thee”.
HSTVL is 1 - 1.3 BRs superior to 2S38 as proven by many other tanks in War Thunder.

Your posts defend 2S38 for never using it.
At least my criticisms of it are after using it and its analogues.
Puma’s a false-equivalence fallacy BTW as they’re separate platforms.

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The 2S38 essentially did not go up in BR. It was a decompression move by Gaijin that moved every vehicle around 10.0 and higher at the same time to give decompression to the lower BR’s.

I’m glad you mentioned acceleration or “power to weight” as it is commonly called because the PUMA is twice the weight of the 2S38 while also having twice the engine power so their acceleration is ALSO the same. Keep grasping at straws though. So again, how does the 2S38 belong at the same BR as the PUMA?

It has twice the penetration as the PUMA while having the same acceleration, same top speed, and the same survivability (they are both light tanks and both are resistant to machine guns while both are penned by autocannons). And the 2S38 functions as an anti-everything vehicle due to it’s extremely potent HE-VT rounds.

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Well, the 2S38 idea is a bit less survivable. The gun dpression also does not allow it to pulldown as well as the Puma. However, I do agree with you that the 2S38 is a bit under BRed still. But I also think that it’s not better than the HSTVL, especially since this got a proxy and IRST. I would myself put the 2S38 more around 10.7-11.0, while keeping the HSTVL at around 11.3-11.7

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2S38 went up in BR, that’s what decompression partially means.
I got what I wanted: Soviet CV9040C moved up.
Now they’re even rarer and more situational because all of the MBT contemporaries are just as fast with more armor and better lethality.
2S38 primarily serves its scouting role now.

@vizender
2S38 11.0 means HSTVL 12.0 MINIMUM [and CV9040C at 10.7], otherwise it’s objectively “rules for thee”.
Cause HSTVL stock is already superior to a spaded [I know its a premium] 2S38 in speed and ammo.

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No point continuing this conversation. You are so all over the place defending your precious premium vehicle. Best of luck with your 11.0 vehicle that is at 10.3.

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HSTVL is not a premium vehicle, nor is the HSTVL 10.3, nor is the HSTVL anywhere close to as weak as any production vehicle as any vehicle that makes it to production is going to be inferior to prototypes that failed due to cost.

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