Never played the 2S38 nor its compatriots the HSTVL, Begleit, or Strf 9040C
May or may not seem crazy but there is something called playing at my friends house lmao.
Rare sighting to see a War Thundarian leaving the house
I don’t see how you “getting 5 kills within mere minutes” means much when you average 1.3 K/D
My “poor” KDR which is decently fine and especially in this premium era was due to me being horrible back in 2020 with my UK tanks. I’ve significantly improved and this can be seen in my newly acquired Chinese tanks.
You can tell from player stats if vehicles are balanced or not. If a casemate has a significantly higher KDR than other casemates it’s probably OP.
Such as looking at my Jagdpanzer IV and comparing its ridiculous KDR to other casemate tanks.
I wasn’t replying to you when I was referring to 9.7, my apology for the mixing up (I was talking to the guy who decided to bring up KDR for some reason, aka Sneed).
The irony of confirmation bias when they say it shouldn’t be counted for the USA, but also when it’s against Russia.
I was under the impression anyway that many people claimed Thunderskill and the War Thunder heat map weren’t to be treated with any seriousness (at least if you listen to the likes of The European Canadian).
The other irony I have with the nay-sayers is that we already had a main battle tank that went to 11.3 as an entry-point vehicle (Clickbait), and they never complained about that, other than to say, “Let US players suffer with new players.”
Isn’t it crazy that everybody crying in here claims they played 2S38 at a friends house and obviously did incredibly well in it.
Convienently no proof of that of course.
Is this the only gambit you have? Bringing up all time player statistics? From what I can see they are a much better player than you, so you really shouldn’t be throwing stones at anyone.
You don’t have to own/play every single vehicle in the game to know which ones are OP. You don’t need to own the 292 to know that it’s OP either.
It’s pretty crazy that people keep using the KD ratio of a premium light tank/SPAA on ThunderSkill to justify it not overperforming. It’s about as disingenuous as you can get.
How is it crazy when the stats are similar or even worse compared to other vehicles of it’s BR.
You literally can’t have more proof of it beeing not op than that.
Yep. It’s quite insane just how deluded these swaths of “western” - oriented players are.
And whenever it’s someone claiming the 2S38 is OP from “their experience” - it’s usually an extremely mediocre player which hardly ever averages above 1 K/D.
My most played BR bracket is 10.0 and I see the 2S38 all the time - and I’ve never seen it as anything else other than an extremely average vehicle that’s extremely easy to kill. All known statistics agree.
I’ve also seen some insane copes such as people saying the 2S38 is a “light tank” and so kills don’t matter as much - even though these threads have all been created in order to imply that the 2S38 is equivalent to the 11.7 HSTV-L and kills everything so easily!
Do you perhaps remember the story long long ago about the Italian Sabre?
I’ll give everyone a little education - a couple of years ago, a couple of dudes on a discord, who all had bonkers stats, decided to mess with Gaijin - they all played the CL.13 Mk.4, importantly the Italian one because very few people played it. For context, the CL.13 Mk.4: CL-13 Mk.4 - War Thunder Wiki
Anyway, it was 8.3 when they started playing. They played for a couple of weeks, and soon, in the next BR changes, they saw it move to 8.7. Because, of course, the stats looked insane. because the players had a bonkers K/D and were squadding left right and centre. They kept playing it. By the time they were done, a .50 cal sabre, which isn’t that much better, was being proposed to be moved to 9.0 in BR.
Think about that for a second. That plane was considered to have the same performance as say, a Hunter.
Not really great.
The moral of the story being that good players can make a bad vehicle look good. The reverse could be applied here. Lots of bad players see people being able to do extremely well in it, think “I want to do that!”, end up playing it and being really bad at it. Thus making a good vehicle look bad.
Statistics don’t lie. It is true. But context is key.
The 2S38 still has inferior stats to other ~10.0-ish premiums that are subject to the exact same conditions.
That is to say - everything you’ve written is pointless.
I agree what you say.
But if it was overpowered, which in my opinion means even bad players perform exceptional in it, we would see far better stats compared to other premiums, which we don’t.
Forgive me but last I checked the only other “light” tank premium around 10.0 is the CV 90105… which is (as much as I’m sure the swedes would love it to be) equipped with a 1-ish second reload…
I might not know a whole great deal about top tier but I would imagine having a much faster reload might be quite useful. (Edit: I forgot the Wolfpack!)
Could you define “overpowered” in your own words for me?
Can you define madman? Just because I have relatively bad stats, doesn’t mean shit you utter muppet. I enjoy the game and I am a UK main, I rarely play the 2M due to the fact I never play Russia (I last played it when I couldn’t shoot a T-90M with one shot of L27A1) Just please, whenever you try to win an argument, don’t try to blackmail. Not a good idea…
