I don’t care if you say I’m wrong, because I’ve already played enough high tier matches to know your argument is full of crap.
You just don’t want it getting put at top tier because then a lot of players who rely on it aren’t going to be lolpenning whoever they want at 9.3-9.7 matches.
2S38 cannot lolpen. It has to aim for weakspots, identical to Strf 9040C.
And it has the rate of fire to hit weakspots at a steady rate, rather than the rapid-output of the 9040C.
I see 9040Cs regularly rip apart M1A2s, T780BVMs, and the like.
You’re being a dumb brick wall at this point.
A rate of fire seen elsewhere.
I have zero memory of ever dying to a 2S38 cause they’re the easiest things to kill.
So no, they’re no where near as good as you think.
I never died to R3 T-20s either due to having ears.
Ah, I see, so this is YOUR personal anecdotes as a “high skill player, me good, you bad, I flex my ears at you”, type of deal.
Not everyone can afford the latest and greatest equipment, first off. So that’s classist as fuck on your part.
Secondly, because you have zero memory of ever dying to one, does not then negate everyone else’s experience. You’re just the outlier. So quit stonewalling.
Push the 2S38 to 11.0.
Basic skill increasing tactics such as headphones and keeping ears open is not anecdotal.
If you can’t afford $10 headphones while I, a man in poverty, own $30 headphones, that’s something else.
Also weird of you to call those in poverty “classist”.
2S38 is not good enough for 11.0.
Sound of engines alone doesn’t determine you’re going to hear them coming when they’re on large maps, even. Then it’s up to scanning, because engine noise doesn’t reverberate. And 2S38s have the rapid reaction to pop multiple targets in sequence within seconds.
So again, your argument doesn’t hold up.
Edit: And don’t bother trying the reverse psych bullcrap of “I’m in poverty, too” to make the argument. If you’ve never died to them, you’re the outlier, not the general example.
How many nukes have 2S38 players gotten in matches, anyone know or can tally that?
If it’s a large map then they’re not going to pen you 99.99% of the time, and you’ll be near cover almost exclusively as well.
Again, wrong, because the 57mm holds enough penetrating power to get through M1 turret rings (hint: Gaijin FIX, please), as well as Type 90s, and anything under at 9.0 is also going to get turret ringed or have its gun knocked out rapidly.
except the size of the weakspot is far bigger for the special need 2s38 then the strf 9040
and here we go twisting the words to make them fit your Argument
and again pulled something out of the air
this one is there a reason that you defend the 2s38 ?
i mean i compared your stats in the bagel and the 2s38 and boy oh boy
0.6 kd in bagel
1.2 in 2s38
I wonder why…
stop twisting the words from others, you do the same shit over and over again
no wonder half the forum got you blocked
ah Olympiad, makes more sense
China fits in that case since based on what i’ve heard/remember they tend to be rather serious when it comes to education
I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but considering the fact that he literally just proved the point that he is giving the Russian vehicle the argument that it’s ‘too soft’ in armor, or ‘too loud’ in engine noise is telling.
Most NATO tanks don’t even have proper HE munitions with overpressure mechanics to make the 2S38 pop the way USSR-based and Chinese-based tanks do, so it’s a question of rapid-fire.
In which case you might as well bring a rapid-fire 30mm SPAA to counter 2S38s at all times, yet to do that, you also need to deal with being largely unable to pen any tank unless from the side or through the turret ring.
Even if the 2S38 is pushed to 11.0, you still have a literal line-up of premiums in Russia at 10.0, combined with the Object 292, that can make it so players never have to even touch the regular tech tree to overcome it.
Hitting a turret ring at 1km is almost impossible when the target is moving, which they are if they’re playing their tank to doctrinal standards.
APFSDS one shots 2S38, HE isn’t needed.
2S38’s engine isn’t too loud as you post.
@MuricaxSuffers
They’re lightly armored, their weakspots are essentially the same.
My Begleit performance is from 2020, long before I learned how to play IFVs.
My HSTVL KDR is 2:1.
Weird of you to claim half the forum are Russian fans.
I never twisted words.
Nah not I’m done with you i’m better off talking to a brick wall
see ya
Are you really arguing based on doctrinal standards?
Hint, this is by now COD with tanks. It is no longer based to true-to-life standards, and if said vehicle were to be moving in the first place, that means it’s also getting CLOSER, increasing the odds of penetrating the side and into the engine blocks.
And yes, you have twisted words on multiple occasions in this thread.
Push the 2S38 to 11.0, Gaijin. Please and thank you.
I meant post rather than claim.
Either way by posting that half the people have me blocked and my only enemies are those that support Russian strength, you are indirectly posting that half the forum are Russian fans.
@Dinfire
War Thunder’s never been COD with tanks.
War Thunder’s smallest map is from 2015, and scale-to-scale is larger than all COD maps.
No, 2S38 is not as strong as you and Russia Today claim.
The Panther A should’ve been 6.0 much earlier. The later Panzer IVs are all undertiered, the Pz iv/70 is stupid good at 4.3, and the Jagdpanther was/is 6.0 for whatever reason.
None of that pertains to 2S38 and top tier play.
You responded to me talking about that.
I originally corrected another player by saying that different nations at different BRs have different skill levels, because it related to the current discussion. I gave a few examples of that.
Did I misunderstand what you meant when you replied this
to me?
Just give up, forum apparently is full of people just crying russian bias, though never played it themselves, germany suffers and a general skill issue…