Begleitpanzer is better than the 2S38.
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Next update the Begleit will be the same speed as 2S38, so no.
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Vilkas is faster and has Spikes.
2S38’s analogues are Strf 9040C, HSTVL, and Begleit.
now compare it to the Begleit.
faster, lower silhouette, better survivability, ATGM, lower pen but way better post pen, HE-VT, no radar lock.
2S38.
big as a barn, never gets to top speed, 3 sardines lined up in the front, no armor, shit post pen due to Otomatic/HSTV-L caliber nerf…etc its only better than the Begleit as an SPAA due to the radar lock
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Spikes are mostly useless, unless the whole target is exposed, another thing it’s a huge target, very easy to shoot at and lastly it’s canon has almost 2x less pen then the 2s38. In no way it’s better then 2s38 overall
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That’s a playstyle difference then, which is subjective.
All @PacketlossRedux is proving is that 2S38 would be 9.3 without APFSDS.
Way better post pen isn’t an argument, you easier damage thing or not at the respective BR
That’s why 2s38 is a problem it can pen even MBTs even in frontal projection, it’s a constant headache to not miss your first shot
Why this thing is in the same br as PUMA?
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That will be great, pen values are the main problem. It’s damage model is also somewhat problematic but still you can deal with it if 2s38 won’t be so effective from the frontal projection
2S38 CAN pen SOME MBT’s frontally through weakspots with accurate shot placement.
Begleit can ATGM the shit out of them in a lot more places and deal more damage per impact
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Eh… it’d be about identical. Very few tanks have a weakspot thicker than APFSDS but weaker than APCBC, if any.
It’s too effective while doing that, much better than any other IFV. It either needs BR raise or absence of apfsds
i just simply have a hard time seeing this effectiveness in battle on either end of the 2S38…
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Well absence of APFSDS makes 2S38 9.3.
And Strf 9040C is already 10.0 and players playing that are at least as-effective as players playing 2S38.
Which makes sense when the only real difference in 2S38’s favor is 2S38’s slightly more pen.
Both pen the same MBT weakspots.
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better survivability
What? Both vehicles die to OHK’s unless you’re aiming for their turret. 2S38 sometimes may be trolly due to the fuel tank though.
HE-VT
Both have HE-VT, albeit 2S38 can use it far more effectively.
lower pen but way better post pen
It’s a 57mm solid shot, there is no “post-pen” to speak of, you just fire off everything in hopes of sniping the crew.
2S38 also has an APHE round in conjuction with the KEP, which has more penetration than Begleit’s solid shot (137mm vs 151mm), so you could alternatively just use the APHE round instead of the APFSDS for increased post-pen lethality…
3 sardines lined up in the front
How is this any better than Begleit’s crew placement, where you just shoot the right side (from your PoV) of the hull and KO 2 crew memebers, effectively killing the vehicle.
no armor
Ah yes, because Begleit is known for its superb armour, for sure.
Bonus point; they are very much comparable size wise:
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now look at this, STRV 9040C has similar results but still not as great as 2s38, also unlike STRV 9040C 2s38 has uninhabited turret, all of its crew sit in the frontal part of the vehicle and that makes it a much harder to kill vehicle. So why do these two sit at the same BR? they for sure aren’t at the same level
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The only difference in 2S38’s favor is the pen.
Strf 9040C is lower profile with more gun depression thus similar survivability.
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why do you ignore the presence of an uninhabited turret? the destruction of a vehicle is directly connected with the knockout of its crew in war thunder and such factor should be for sure taken into account. that’s the very reason why AGS was put at 11.0, don’t forget that
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Cause it doesn’t have the gun depression to really use the turret… and a dead turret is a dead tank.
AGS was put to 11.0 cause it’s a better platform than Stryker MGS.
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nope. AP vs nerfed APFSDS is much more reliable post-penetration at dealing damage. Just how AP vs APDS
The last time i played this shitbarn 2S38(with aphe) i shot an early ZTZ or Type 69 in the side hull, right under the turret 3 or 4 times but all shrapnel got eaten by the same fkin dead crew, resulting in the mbt turning/cant pen anymore/ and murdering me cardboard SPAA. Despite it being a 57mm shell.
Not to mention how the lack of speed advantage and map version makes APHE usage a dice roll to begin with.
not against all shell types
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