You see the BMP2M a lot less because it’s a squadron vehicle instead of a premium, but it is also broken OP too. Both the BMP2M and 2S38 are 10.3 vehicles minimum. They are only 10.0 so that they fit into/sell more of the uber 10.0 Russia lineup.
They are a troll - they exist on the forum to get this kind of reaction from you. Just block and ignore, don’t give it the satisfaction.
When did I ever cope about my statistics. I enjoy the game. Stats don’t matter, this isn’t fortnite kiddo.
“When did I ever cope about my statistics?”
Pot. Kettle. Black.
So saying statistics don’t really matter is coping about them? You’re the one who brings them up in every single thread, and apparently actually value WT statistics (lol).
The gun SPAA on-par with 2S38 are at 8.7 and 9.0… VEAK and M247.
@SlowHandClap
BMP-2M is not 10.3 capable without scouting giving more rewards, but that increases the BR of all scout-able tanks, not just BMP-2M.
I take 2S25M over BMP-2M, even when it only had 3BM46.
And if 2S25M goes up [it likely should] then I swap it out for an MBT since I have 2S38, which itself is superior to BMP-2M.
BMP-2M is a chronic 10.0. If it’s so OP then you should play it… oh you did. So it should have a way higher KDR than your other IFVs right? 0.474. Alright, let’s see if that’s significantly higher than your other IFVs. M3A3: 0.372. BMP-2: 0.63. Warrior: 0.506.
There is inconsistency, especially in your most balanced IFVs of BMP-2 and Warrior.
It appears you’ve had a lot of bad experiences with the Bradley though.
Oh… and you’ve played the 2S38, which you have an identical KDR to the HSTVL with.
No, I will not demean your performance. I do not care how well you perform in any vehicle as I just want you to enjoy the vehicles you operate.
I only bring up KDR to compare your performance of same-class vehicles of vehicles you claim to be OP.
There’s a reason when I claim that Jagdpanzer IV is OP its KDR is far above that of my other case mate tanks. My stats indicate it’s over-performing; and a deeper cross-analysis proves it further from it having armor and speed with a good gun.
I don’t think you realize that the 10.0 Swedish Lvkv9040C has two extra crew members, better gun depression (This is especially important because you somehow believe the 2S38 is survivable because of its unmanned turret - yet it doesn’t have enough gun depression to actually utilize it in most positions, especially ridges), HE-VT WITH a radar, almost full spall liner coverage and far better survivability.
This is a completely valid point. I personally gave up on not trying to demean their performance because these people are utterly delusional.
I uptier both the BMP2M and 2S38 to 12.7, and I also use them both for getting the SP for CAS before J’ing out.
The warrior is 8.0, so I don’t know why you’ve included that into the comparison. The only valid comparison is the Bradley M3A3, which as you note I do significantly worse in.
Like I said, I don’t know how many times you lot need to be taught this lesson, but there is a reason using a sample size of one is invalid. Checking lifetime statistics from someone’s player card gives you zero context. Then there is the fact that certain types of people use multiple accounts to “boost” their player card statistics. The grind is bad enough in this game, the fact that people are willing to repeat it just to have a better looking player card is honestly depressing.
As if I needed to add any more evidence you’re wrong - Sneed went ahead and agreed with you. That’s pretty damning.
So you allegedly bring vehicles to BRs they are less effective at, but your stats don’t indicate that.
Cavenub is known to play at BR and their stats are all in-line.
I’m known to play at-BR and my stats are in-line.
And cross-analysis shows that 2S38 is 10.3 capable despite many players performing as well in it as their Strf 9040C experience.
However, cross-analysis shows nothing for BMP-2M.
As for Sneed inappropriately insulting you and others, their agreement with the point doesn’t reduce the point’s validity.
Yeah, because my no thermals, no laser rangefinder, no laser warning, 7.x second reloading tank is very fair going up against that rolling cancer wagon.
By any measure, it is stupid the chieftain mk10 faces the 2s38.
That thing, along with the turms, effectively ruins an entire BR range. There are so goddam many of them a full uptier is practically guaranteed.
Just move the dammed thing up to 10.3. That moves it out of the way of the 9.0 tanks.
They won’t move it of course, they would remove its main selling point which is to bully far lower tier tanks.
There is nothing alleged. Go watch my replays if you don’t believe me.
You mean my stats aren’t a perfect reflection of the vehicle’s capabilities because I use them at higher BRs and use them to scout/get SP before getting into CAS? You’re so close to getting there on your own, keep going.
Knowing how Sneed normally posts, I would question myself if I found myself in a position where they were agreeing with me.
I think you will find that the chieftain mk10 has a LRF.
Ah, you’re right of course, was thinking of the mk5.
Doesn’t invalidate anything else though.
Invalidate what?
The chieftain mk10 has no issues dealing with the 2S38 as long as you are playing it correctly.
Nice!
i’m now going to use those numbers and put the 2S38 onto a BR axis where 9040C (10.0) is the zero line and HSTV-L (11.3) is the maximum.
for sake of brevity i’m going to show how i’m going about it once and then just show the results.
after the results i’m going to add all together and divide by number of tested factors to get an average (which should in theory give us the optimal BR for the 2S38 going only by the accounted for characteristics).
(Information about math here as well):
HSTV-L - 2S38 - 9040C
7-14-17
subtract the lowest number from all gets us:
0-7-10
turning it backwards (where needed) and converting the numbers to represent a normal axis progression (if the high number does not become 10 i convert by taking the 2S38 result divided by the HSTV-L result and multiplying the answer with 10 to get the axis placement for the 2S38)
0-3-10
putting BR 10.0 (9040C) as the zero and using a ten step divide to the BR 11.3 (HSTV-L) gives us 1.3/10=0.13 per step so multiplying the 2S38 axis placement by 0.13 gives us the BR it should be at going by every specific characteristic (per mathematical custom i’m not going to round to the actual BR numbers until last step, but i am rounding to the nearest hundredth to make it easier and look nicer). the 2S38 is in this instance 30% (3 steps) above the 9040C meaning 0.39 above giving it a rounded BR of 10.4 going by acceleration alone.
10.0 - 10.39 - 11.3
(for 0-60 calculated the same way turns into)
10.0 - 10.80 - 11.3
(average for category is 10.60)
so doing this for the rest of the numbers (with some corrections shown where needed):
munition mass:
10.0 - 10.31 - 11.3
flat penetration at 100m
10.0 - 10.92 - 11.3
60 degrees (not using your 60 to flat conversion as that will muddle up the calculation and instead using the values from in game at 100m which are: 155 - 128 - 97mm):
10.0 - 10.69 - 11.3
(Average for category: 10.64)
I will not use the APCBC as both 9040C and HSTV-L does not have one, instead adding the AA round and their characteristics which the HSTV-L does not have (making the lack thereof a disadvantage for self-defense against helicopters and jets).
i will use the average percentage of better round qualities as a multiplier for the 0.13 BR steps.
qualities used:
Speed of round, mass, mass of explosive (TNT equivalent), fragmentation penetration at 10m and trigger radius (feel free to comment on the way i did this).
Number above 10.0 for each:
0.13, 0.41, 1.07, 0.84, 0.87
Average: 0.66
BR result: 10.0 - 10.66 - 11.3
(i will argue it would place it a bit higher since the lack of proxy round does more than just that mathematical increase, but will use it for now)
here i will multiply the numbers of the FOV to get an area and use the zoom level difference.
Magnification:
10.0 - 10.39 - 11.3
FOV:
negligible area difference, will exclude going forward, but worth noting that 2S38 is slightly better than both.
(will use data from Wiki and RB - ACE crew for now) in deg/sek.
57 - 60 - 34.9
Here the 2S38 is better than both so lands outside the axis.
10.0 - 11.3 - 11.48
Fire rate, it gets progressively worse so calculated this backwards to see where it would land, (not sure here if this is correct, will exclude from final result but worth noting the difference):
HSTV-L - 2S38 - 9040C
10.0 - 11.0 - 11.3
i will add that the 2S38 has no crew in its turret which gives it an edge as the tanks are built to peak over hills and only expose the turret as much as possible. this makes the 2S38 way more survivable in those situations, outside this they are probably very close in survival.
the only thing more i would add for survival is that the 2S38 has way more empty space inside (and thus has less things that create spalling), so if you don’t hit the right spot (kill/injure crew or ammo) it will have a way easier time to shoot back at what shot it and ultimately survive. if the HSTV-L gets hit you usually hit at least something to slow it down (one crew and perhaps injure another) because it has way more internal things that are spread out that can get hit. the 9040C does however have a spall liner to combat this.
i have done the average for each category separately as to not favour one category more than others so all acceleration have been averaged by themselves and then added to the total average division (so ammo pen and mass are added together into one average first and same with acceleration).
Adding all of the BR results together and dividing it by the number of categories measured we get:
11.48(turret traverse)+ 10.39(optics)+ 10.66(AA round)+ 10.64(ammo/pen)+ 10.61(acceleration)=53.78
divided by the 5 categories for an average of:
53.78/5=BR 10.76 (10.80 if fire rate is included)
this would result in an adjusted rounded BR of 10.7.
I am also curious about how you came to this conclusion:
When the average i get to for penetration and round mass is BR 10.64 (rounded to 10.7).
counting ONLY pen at 100m and 100m 60 degrees it averages out to (10.69+10.92)/2=10.81 (rounded to 10.7)
so how did you get to 10.3 going only by penetration?
heh.
Do you really, seriously think a chieftain mk10 vs a 2s38 is fair?
Why isn’t it?
A 2S38 is going to have a very hard time killing a chieftain mk10 who is playing correctly and hull down whereas the mk10 has a significantly easier time killing the 2S38.
And that’s a full BR above it.
Ok, lets spell it out for you,.
2s38 can spot a chieftain far, far before the chieftain can spot it. We are talking in bushes, adverse lighting conditions, everything but perfect conditions.
Once it spots it, the barrel or breech are easy targets for the s238. If the chieftain does manage to find the target and his gun isn’t out by some miracle, if he manages to see the damed thing under the constant autocannon fire, then he shoots then waits 7.x seconds for his next shot, meanwhile constantly getting hit and disabled.
Say the chieftain mk10 spots the 2s38 by some miracle first, the LWS will alert the 2s38 immediately so the chieftain better make dammed sure he kills it on the first shot, as he probably isn’t getting another one.
Sure, the chieftain mk10 can kill a 2s38, a sherman m4a2 can kill a 2s38 but that doesn’t make it a good match up.
I get the 9.0 to 10.3 is an area of large technological change and that’s fine, but what’s not fine is there being so many of the dammed things that they ruin an entire BR.
There is no possible way you can make the case that the 2s38, packed with LWR, 3rd generation thermals, fast firing high penning autocannon is in any way a fair matchup against the chieftain mk10.
Heh, report abusers are back lads. 🤣
Whatever cope you want to tell yourself. I’m telling you that your extremely poor performance in all the chieftains is not down to the vehicle or the vehicles it faces, it is down to you.
You’re using the 2S38 as a scapegoat while you can’t even perform well in the 2S38 yourself.
It is a “gotcha”.
You are pretending like the 2S38 is this extremely OP instawin vehicle that constantly sees downtiers to the chieftain mk10 and how it ruins the mk10.
And yet you perform basically the exact same in it compared to the mk10.
The only silly looking one here is you, since you can’t even do well in this allegedly horribly undertiered vehicle compared to the allegedly woe-begotten chieftain mk10.
Also stop crying about “muh personal attack!”, if the shoe fits you must wear it.
