2S38 to 11.0

Yep, two of mine got flagged and I’ve changed them already. Plus I’m ignoring Nano and Sneed. They’ve proven themselves incapable of good faith arguments. The whataboutisms are astonishingly decisive when we discuss any sort of change that might affect certain nations’ “performance”, even though this game is supposedly “just a game”.

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I dont care, i dont have proof and im here to make an argument on why i believe the 2s38 should be placed at a higher br to see how it performs. All ive seen so far are people showing how much they panic when they see a tank and aim too low or that players cant understand that the 2s38 is easy to kill if the fuel tank doesnt eat your shell but thats poor coding on gaijins end not just a 2s38 thing. Regardless i think remote control turrets can and are overlooked. Example the french ifv, was the same br as the cv9030 but only the cv9030 stayed at 9.3 where it still performs poorly, poor pen, poor spall, and fire rate. To peak and shoot is to immediately get crew knocked. The vilkas and vbc dont have this problem and are fast enough to escape. Remote control turrets are very powerful and if used correctly are very potent. Thing is i belive having aphe and apfsds with 200mm pen is too strong for the majority of 9.0-9.3 tanks

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This is the difference between someone weaponizing passive aggressive manipulation, sarcasm, and therapy-speak, versus actual experience.

When dozens of players state that a particular vehicle overperforms regularly for a good portion of the playerbase, but only a couple loud ones declare those arguing are “just raging”, it’s usually the smaller minority that’s the problematic ones.

The 2S38’s performance is acceptable for an increase to its BR.

And IF it suffered (if the players win rates and kill counts dropped dramatically as a result), it could then go back down and that smaller portion could say they told us so.

So why don’t they?

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That’s not trauma dumping. That’s an explanation of the current situation.

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Really though the 2S38 is fine where it is.
I’m always happy to see them as they are easy free kills.

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this is the most desperate low quality argument i have read ever on this forum

Amphib? sometimes its nice but most of the time its not even a usable aspect
Durable? If you are horrible at the game…so no its not durable. 3 sardines lined up in a tin can, is the most easy shot ever.
Low Spalling? if thin armor affects that than this goes for all IFV’s with thin armor
Dozer? most useless thing in the game.
APHE? gets stuck in crew, as I have experienced it, but its nice to have
APFSDS? shit post pen damage
…etc

You desperately threw excrement at the wall hoping its sticks. Truth is that the other IFV’s mentioned by others do a lot of things better or as good as the 2S38 ,and at the end of the day the capabilities are balanced.

Maybe the problem is more so about counterpart SPAA/IFV’s that were nerfed and not the 2S38. Where is the Begleit apfsds, smoke…etc ? Where is the real armor of the Puma, its realistic gun performance and shell weight ? Commander sight for the Swedish IFV that still does not have it in game since its addition despite it literally has the equipment ?

Stop trying to nerf shit that’s not broken and instead get stuff fixed that’s broken.

And if you are looking for an overpowered,undertiered IFV, why ain’t you all crying about the BMP-2M ??? For the love of God, that’s way stronger than the 2S38 with its 4 atgm’s, darts and most things u listed. One can launch all 4 atgm’s at the same time and all will track… At 10.0

Buffing them would require Gaijin accepting the suggestions and implementing them, THEN their BR stats could be argued.

The 2S38 doesn’t need further buffs to make it viable at 11.0.

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Gaijin denied all those changes you want to see, the UTAS sight denied, the begal got its hp nerfed while looking at the document that stated the 600 hp wasnt sufficient and they would use the 720hp engine, also it literally mentions the LWS and apfsds lol. Its pick and choose with gaijin.

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Another soft buff we have all known and demanded be removed was the BMP-2M 4 missiles all tracking at once.

I have yet to see a code implemented to do so.

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His list convinced me.
It all seemed pretty moderate but the fact that it gets a dozer is just one step too far

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that dozer makes whole teams just poof when its deployed. crazy tool

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Wait it gets a dozer? I did not know that.

its already a better SPAA than anti tank. It has shit mobility and the APFSDS sucks. Pair that with spall liners and it will be horrible anti tank IFV

Poor mobility sounds like the 9040C’s and the Bradley lol

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I do not recognise the authority of your list as my list is the one true list.

You can appeal this decision by messaging me directly but you will be rejected

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i swear, when it came out it had better acceleration, but now it never reaches anywhere near its top speed, thus it struggles to get into flanking positions before MBT’s that all have better acc, thus reaching higher speeds

Literally the bradley and 9040C experience slower than all mbts it meets reminds me of playing the strv 105 a centurion at 9.3 and still outspeeding a merk lol.

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It’s why I say 2S38 to 10.3, since it’s so similar to Strf 9040C outside its pen being better.
2S38 is the same speed as 9040C by the by…

@MuricaxSuffers
2S38 wouldn’t have a higher KDR from Cavenub or myself it it was tech tree.
Its KDR would be identical, and thus nothing would change.

@SemiPartician @Miraz05 @Dinfire
HSTVL is the fastest tech tree vehicle, smaller, better gun laying, better optics [zoom], and better round.
No, 2S38 being barely better than Strf 9040C doesn’t make it nor Strf 9040C as good as HSTVL.
2S38 and Strf 9040C are not and have never been top-BR performers. Only HSTVL is for the points provided prior.

@SlowHandClap
2S25M is superior to 2S38 by far.
2S38 is barely under-BR’d being the Soviet Strf 9040C.

@GNDM_Panzer It’s sad to see posts of R propaganda that 2S38 is anywhere close as good as HSTVL when it obviously isn’t. Strf 9040C, Begleit, and 2S38 all share the “same” speed, all significantly slower than HSTVL.
2S38 is a production vehicle BTW, no rules violated in its addition.
I like that NATO has more Yak-141s than Soviets in WT. Nothing hypocritical about that.

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@Firestarter
Yak-141 follows Gaijin’s addition rules to the letter. People need to stop digging for stuff that isn’t there.

Edit: This post upset Russians… sorry.

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The cv90120T isnt a protype tho? It just has no one purchasing it. Now the ghost id agree with but the T has had several modifications bringing it up throughout its life. The only thing isnt missing in game is the 2007 modifications and its auto deploy smoke when a laser signal is detected. The 120 was completed irl and given upgrades irl to keep it modernized. They even made the mkIV model which isnt in game so i doesn’t belong on that list just saying. If we go by gaijin adding stuff so that it can play in warthunder then i must be missing something. (Regardless its off topic so just message my dms)

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Yeah, list is old and needs updated based on new knowledge I learned over the last year.