2S38 to 11.0

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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Not thermals, optics, the physical glass.
AKA zoom levels since War Thunder doesn’t use picture-in-picture for optics currently.

Thermal generation can make optics closer together, especially for longer range maps, but it doesn’t make an 8x optic as good as a 2x - 10x optic.

@Necronomica
Ayit, AJ37, Super Etendard, AMX, Q-5L, Jag GR1A, Buccaneer S2B, Hunter F58, A-6E TRAM… all capable of 5+km engagements.
HSTVL is 11.3, not 11.7, and 2S38’s correct BR is 10.3, so it’s a 1.0 difference not 1.7.

@UnHolySausage
I keep telling people that 2S38 and Strf 9040C are good vehicles, just not anywhere as powerful as MBTs of the same BR.

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that… that didn’t answer ANY of my points whatsoever… stop derailing and answer my points.

419

As i said before people compare it with MBT’s when that’s not a fair comparison, compare it with similar vehicles and you Will notice a difference here

420

I did, hence why I support 2S38 for 10.3.
It’s not an HSTVL by far.
It’s close to its biggest kin the Strf 9040C.
If Begleit had APFSDS I’d say that’s a better 2S38 due to the TOW missiles despite it only being gen 1 thermals.

421

ignoring the obv again with irst right ? :)))

422

Which is 9.3, below its 10.X BR.
You should stop forgetting that 2S38 is 10.0 and not 9.3, already well above is SPAA capabilities in BR.

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???

424

One has 45 winrate the other has 65 so not even close

425

Win rate is a symptom of team skill, not power of a vehicle.
HSTVL is more powerful than both for its BR yet mine has a lower win-rate.
Win-rate is for team skill not vehicle power.

426

There’s no proof of your statement.
Win rate is rather a product of vehicle lineup and their actual performance

427

Vehicle lineup choosing is part of player skill.
Choosing MBTs over light tanks is the correct maneuver if you care about winning.
Map positioning, identifying targets before they identify you, etc.

Even if there’s a minor imbalance, or in the case of Ariete and Challenger 2 major imbalance, skilled players only ever operate in onion layers 1 - 3: Don’t be seen, shot at, hit; which Ariete does as well as 2A7V, Ariete of course will fail onion layer 4: Don’t be penned.

428

People don’t choose tech tree based on their skill. People of similar skill have different success with different tech trees.
One is better than other

429

Tech trees are all essentially identical due to the BR system.

430

Keep in mind the Begleitpanzer is at 9.3 with a faster firing 57mm , a TOW launcher, better gun depression, and better mobility.

Of course, the 2S38 has a much much stronger round, actually usable thermals, and the IRST.

But I don’t think those advantages warrant almost a 2 BR increase. I would say at the highest the 2S38 could go to 10.7 so the T-90A has a lineup, but even that is stretching it.

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If they were there wouldn’t be 1.5 times winrate discrepancy

432

Win rate is an indicator of team skill. Stop bringing up irrelevant information.

433

False speculation

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No, it’s basic knowledge of statistics.
Vehicle power indicators are KDR compared to like-vehicles on singular profiles.
HSTVL, 2S38, Begleit, and Strf 9040C for example.

435

It is a mix of both. It encompasses the average skill of the team, and enemies, how good the lineup is, and partly individual skill.

K/B (kills per battle) is the best way to measure how good a vehicle is in my opinion.

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KDR is best cause per battle is more team dependent than KDR is.
Without directly analyzing the vehicle, you are looking at profiles of people that play everything.