Not a thing.
Strf 9040C is also 10.0, which is the 2S38 but Swedish, and only slightly less pen.
They are more different than that.
I was talking things that impact its BR.
IRT doesn’t impact its BR as 2S38 is already well above 9.3 BR where it’d be on SPAA capabilities.
I’ve addressed this before.
If anti-tank capabilities exceed anti-air capabilities, its BR is based on its anti-tank capabilities.
Other examples of instances of anti-tank capabilities being used for their BRs include but not limited to: Begleit, Strf 9040C, OTOMATIC…
its AA capabilities are above other AA at that BR, only shortcoming is search radar. almost all other things are better.
And its not about the AA ability and other ability’s separately, its a combination of them that makes the overall vehicle be more effective. Having 10.0 BR AT capabilities and then adding a decent AA capability on top would most likely increase the BR since you are taking away a vulnerability for that vehicle, especially light tanks since they are extra vulnerable to air.
of which i have shown that the 2S38 is better at.
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Its AA capability is lower than that of Lvkv 9040C.
Search radar is the most important thing for SPAA.
Without it you’re reliant on thermals or worse.
It’s why LAV-AD is 10.0 instead of 10.3 or higher. No search radar.
2S38 is only superior than Strf 9040C by penetration, which you agreed on.
2S38 is as fast as Begleit and Strf 9040C.
As large as Strf 9040C.
HSTVL is superior to all of them in speed, size, armor, optics, and gun.
You’re kidding, right? 1st gen thermals versus 3rd gen on 2S38 & (iirc) 2nd gen on CV9040s. Only Begleit has comparable optics to the HSTV-L.
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What exact stats are you referring to here? all of the stats regarding AA capabilities i have looked at so far are better on the 2S38. (save for search radar)
higher tiers yes. at BR 10 or lower, no.
At that BR and lower almost all Heli’s and jets has to come close enough for you to visually see them before they can do anything to you anyway.
the M247 has a search-radar. but its 9.0.
i would argue its because of range (and other things). LAV-AD has a effective range of 5-6Km tops. any AA above that has way longer ranges.
no? i specifically linked to and showed the opposite. i have not agreed to anything of the sort.
by a tiny margin. not a 1.7 BR increase amount compared to 2S38.
Idk why would someone struggle with the BMP2M missiles tbh
Skill issue, purely.
One of the outright easiest ATGM-carrying platforns to use in the game.
Yeah it’s amazing how can people struggle with such an unfair vehicle that requires no skills whatsoever
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An overperforming vehicle can only carry so much weight. Rest is up to the player.
There are people that struggle seeing and hearing enemy tanks 5 meters infront of them out in the open
Struggling with missiles is pretty acceptable compared to that
that’s true, wise words
Its not very good very low survivability. Very low damage on main gun. Its a needle gun.
It is slower than a 2a4.
The SPAA aspect was good during first week of 2s38 release then it got its range nerfed. Its not a homing missile so in the end effective range is only 1,5 km on air players
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sorry what ?
sounds more like a U issue then vehicle one…
If i can snipe ppl with bagel he-vt on 3km without irst so can you on 4km and even 4.5km without trouble.
aha usual bs
sure if you don’t know there to aim and just fire apfsds into empty space
Lemme guess you go with
“bigger number better” right ?
the gun is outstanding the dmg is great and if you know what you do you can carry a mix of 35%aphe 35%apfsds and 30% he-vt
this is a U problem…
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Funny enough, most of the issues with the 2S38 its for the most part, player problems. The only real disadvantage is that it has a low-ready ammo pool and is a light tank, but that is rather redundant. The penetration its good fire rate its good too, and it has a pretty decent damage. Mobility-wise its just average but fast enough to rush on points normally mbt’s wouldn’t reach that fast, and it has pretty good survivability accompanied by the use of IRST and HE-VT, which makes it really good. What makes players struggle a lot with it is the fact that they want to treat it like an MBT with an autocannon when it’s a light tank. You get side shots, but the good pen allows for front shots too, so this vehicle is insanely good atis the fact that they want to treat it like an MBT with an autocannon when it’s a light tank. You get side shots, but the good pen allows for front shots too, so this vehicle is insanely good at its job the fact that they want to treat it like an MBT with an autocannon when its a light tank, so this vehicle its insanely good at its BR in fact unfair comparing to other vehicles and still people find a way to have problems with it .
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Not thermals, optics, the physical glass.
AKA zoom levels since War Thunder doesn’t use picture-in-picture for optics currently.
Thermal generation can make optics closer together, especially for longer range maps, but it doesn’t make an 8x optic as good as a 2x - 10x optic.
@Necronomica
Ayit, AJ37, Super Etendard, AMX, Q-5L, Jag GR1A, Buccaneer S2B, Hunter F58, A-6E TRAM… all capable of 5+km engagements.
HSTVL is 11.3, not 11.7, and 2S38’s correct BR is 10.3, so it’s a 1.0 difference not 1.7.
@UnHolySausage
I keep telling people that 2S38 and Strf 9040C are good vehicles, just not anywhere as powerful as MBTs of the same BR.
that… that didn’t answer ANY of my points whatsoever… stop derailing and answer my points.
As i said before people compare it with MBT’s when that’s not a fair comparison, compare it with similar vehicles and you Will notice a difference here
I did, hence why I support 2S38 for 10.3.
It’s not an HSTVL by far.
It’s close to its biggest kin the Strf 9040C.
If Begleit had APFSDS I’d say that’s a better 2S38 due to the TOW missiles despite it only being gen 1 thermals.