Don’t compare a light tank with an mbt they fill a different role, of course it’s not gonna be fair just compare it with other light tanks of the same category at the br bracket
show me the other APFSDS ROUND. Take a screenshot
yes, as if im not saying its OP and should be moved up
Thanks for proving to us you’re doing this purposefully.
Strf 9040 BILL isn’t Strf 9040C.
Thanks for proving my posts correct.
Saying vehicles are OP is defending them BTW.
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I have already told You what I’m doing here some messages earlier.
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2s38 has 52% more pen compared to 9040C, calling that slightly better pen is a circus level statement. because of this fact alone it deserves not 10.3 as you like to say but 10.7 just like the 292, another Russian BIAS unicorn
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No it doesn’t. It has 50mm more pen, 50mm is not 52%.
Why do you lie on behalf of the 2S38? What makes you love the 2S38 so much to defend it from scrutiny?
2S38 isn’t strong enough for 10.7, which would be 11.3 as there is no 10.7 lineup and never will be.
The only way you move 2S38 to 10.7 is if you move nearly all tanks at 10.7 and higher up to 11.0 - 12.0, AKA decompression.
The fact you keep calling the Soviet Strf 9040C “bias” is just pure blinders.
You think 2S38 is new when I’ve been facing its analogues years before it was added. Which is why I’ve died to less 2S38s than there are fingers on one hand.
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From where have You got this number?
If I’m woken up properly and see things right, in best caase scenario, 2S38 is only ~33% better when it comes to pen and it is declining with distance
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who cares about your lineups? it’s breaking balance so it needs to go up just like the strela did.
Also, you have problems with basic understanding what defense and attack is, you use these words in a weird way.
I took values from the upper posted screenshot, it turns out default round of 9040C was used for comparison there.
With the top round the comparison will be such:
9040C pen - distance 500/angle 30 - 137 mm
2s38 pen - distance 500/angle 30 - 176 mm
(176-137)/137 = 28.5%
this is still a lot of difference, calling this slightly better isn’t correct.
now for additional clarity let’s compare 2s38 with HSTVL
HSTVL pen - distance 500/angle 30 - 221 mm
2s38 pen - distance 500/angle 30 - 176 mm
(221-176)/176 = 25.7%
We have really similar results with both comparisons. this proves that 2s38 should sit in the middle of these two vehicles, which will be 10.7.
with your logic this also means that HSTVL is slightly better than 2s38, right?
the fact that there is not a lineup at 10.7 isn’t a good enough argument, if other nations have to suffer because of rough BR policies so should the Russians.
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Read my last message, that was an error
Oh so You took the stock round stats and compared it? lmao.
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in the end my opinion didn’t change, it still deserves 10.7 and I argumented that
The 2S38 is a SPAA so compare it with other SPAAs.
In the current state the 2S38 should be between the Lvkv and the Otomatic at Br 10.7.
Push the Lvkv to Br 10.3 for having search radar.
The 2S38 not having a search radar is no exuse, cause the Sidam25 sits at the same BR like Gepard and has not one either.
In conclusion the 2S38 is purposely underrated tank.
-Its not a light tank and was not intended to be one. -Its should not have HE-VT, but got one over the not working AHEAD of Puma.
-The single feed system should have a drawback, being able to switch munitions as fast as double feed systems is not “realistic”
-Same ready-rack-reload time (2.5s) as Lvkv despite having bigger calibre. Otomatic has 10secs. So it should be higher.
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Did you really just compare the AFT-09 (a tiny tank with great gun depression) with the 2S38 (a huge bus with horrible gun depression)?
It was obvious that you’re a facetious person just from the BMP-2M/Lvkv9040C stat comparison and subsequent coping, but I can’t believe you’re like this.
I use the ZTL-11 a lot (it’s my most played vehicle), and that’s also an extremely tall vehicle just like the 2S38, with the same gun depression of -5. AND I CANNOT HULL DOWN. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE IN 99.9% OF CASES. That’s why I just rush.
This is extremely obvious and I’ve brought it up multiple times in-thread when talking about the 2S38s atrocious gun handling (and how it makes the unmanned turret nearly useless), but I can’t believe you can just say this and expect no one to call you out.
The HSTV-L also has an unmanned turret BTW (gunner and driver are in the hull, only the commander is in the turret), except it’s tiny and has -17 degrees of gun depression. I bring it up because multiple INSANE people have said that the 2S38 is just as good, if not better than the HSTV-L.
Which is an insane statement. The HSTV-L is a hundred times better, regardless of it being multi-purpose (the Swedish 9040Cs are as well, and so is the BMP-2M, and we know your stats in both…).
And the BRs currently seem pretty obvious. The 2S38 is a 10.0 vehicle. The Lvkv9040C and the BILL, however, are far better. I think there should be a “Swedish 10.0 IFVs to 11.0” thread, instead.
Please respond to my post with the math showing an average placement for the 2S38 of 10.7 going by stats alone.
Thus not accounting for functions it has that the 9040C or HSTV-L does not.
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Also:
What??
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It seems another Chinese civil war is about to start.
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The turret is not unmanned, it holds the commander. The only hope you got is if they use a sabot, and not HE (which many Russian players already know to do, and NATO players lack). 125 overpressure, which each and every one of you 2S38 10.0 defenders knows for a damn fact.
And yet, in spite of that, the only easy way to pop a 2S38 with an HE round is held by gasp the very nation it’s fighting in!
So maybe you and Alvis and the rest can go chew on that.
“The HSTV-L is a hundred times better”. Maybe for someone who knows how to avoid being seen and heard entirely, or maybe if you can spawncamp, but not if you’re trying to fight off a horde.
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2S38 isn’t currently breaking balance.
That extra 50mm of penetration is not resulting in 2S38 having superior performance over Strf 9040C in matches.
So right now, 2S38 is performing identically to Strf 9040C.
All the players that have played both have that in common.
2S38 is half the speed of HSTVL with worse gun handling, and round, your post proves it should be 10.3, not 10.7.
2S38 goes 10.7, then HSTVL needs to go 11.7, Begleit to 9.7, and Strf 9040C to 10.3.
No, because then 2S38 would be 9.3 if it was compared to other SPAA.
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