I’ve seen good and bad players in this vehicle, I kill them and get killed by them. Objectively, based on the intrinsic capabilities of this tank compared the other vehicles that play the same or similar roles, it is currently a undertiered vehicle.
If you claim it’s OP, then even players with low skill can get kills easily. Since you have a roomtemperature IQ, let me put it this way: imagine we put an Abrams in 4.0 it’s OP, so even the lowest skill players would get more kills
So why bother asking us if you don’t accept any viewpoints besides “muh 2S38 OP pls move up”
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only laser guided ones, while everyone uses TV or IR guidance
i mean… technically it would warn or an incoming GBU, but would that LWS really save you?
indeed, but my point stands
the sheer AMOUNT of it makes it into a headline feature, this is the big thing about hstvl/rdf
…is what really hurts the 2s38 in comparison, you simply cannot take the same positions as any other light tank, you can’t really outmanoeuvre others, even MBT’s
alright, i will prove you wrong
its not cas that captures points and gets into positions, lobbing AGM 's only gets you a couple of frags
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I cannot make you understand, that is completely up to you. But I will make one last attempt to help you get there.
Anyone can buy this vehicle. If a player is ill equipped to use it to its full ability, then they’re probably not going to do very well, correct?
If a player that has exceptional skill and knowledge of how to use these types of vehicles gets it, then based on the intrinsic capabilities of this tank and due to the current br it sits at, it outclasses many of the other vehicles it sees.
Because viewpoints mean nothing without facts. I’m not asking for your opinions, I’m asking for a solid objective argument.
an undertiered vehicle is something that is outright better than its competition while being fit for a higher br (like a t-64b for example, if we are talking russkies)
the 2s38 has no real competition, there is nothing like it lol
comparing it to rdf or hstvl is just idiotic - they are completely different vehicles with a different playstyle
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T-72B x2, T-80UD, Object 292…
T-72s in general don’t have the reverse speed to use that trick I’ve seen a total of 1 time in a match, and I destroyed the dude that attempted to use it because… 9.3+ NATO has thermals.
People don’t use that tactic for a reason.
So ASU-57 to 12.0? That’s not a good argument. You’re supposed to compare like to like.
PT-76-57 uses the same gun with APHE, laser range finder, and stabilizer.
It’s slower, has no thermals, and no APFSDS, which is why it’s 8.3.
LWS warns against lasing, which is not as common as you think.
I never used personal experience. I gave what I use, and I gave the reason why which the reason has nothing to do with my experience.
RDF/LT:
30- 3
40- 6
50- 10
60- 15
Reverse- 1
Traverse- 8
2S38:
30- 4
40- 7
50- 11
60- 19
Reverse- 2
Traverse- 9
It’s marginal, but RDF/LT is superior, namely at high speeds.
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Well that’s a cool opinion buddy, but opinions once again are not quite what I’m looking for here…
Wow so that’s a bit of a stretch considering that vehicle is obviously not a good choice for a 12.0. If you’re going to bring ludicrous comparisons here then why should I continue to engage with you. Hardly any arguments here have been made with logic or reason and seem to be fueled by emotions. I never once asked for opinions from anyone. I want cold hard facts for why this shouldn’t be a higher br, not someone’s “feelings”.
Also if I remember correctly in the other post I made you stated it could be moved to 11.0, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I also believe you said that the rdf could be placed at the same br as it. So why the flip flop? With all do respect, why should I engage in conversation with you if you don’t even know what side you’re on? Once again, I mean no disrespect, but I would like a reason for why I should engage with you?
So if it’s marginal, then does that warrant a 1.7 br difference?
An absurd example to counter an absurd claim is not emotional. I quite literally had zero emotion when typing that, because I’ve gone through the motions of countering absurdity with absurdity thousands of times.
“2S38’s APHE is worthy of 11.0.”
Meanwhile PT-76-57 sits at 8.3 and is balanced, T-34-57 sits at 4.something and is balanced.
So bringing up any of those examples to point out the absurdity of clinging to 2S38’s APHE round is countering the argument. No emotions.
The reasons I personally gave for 2S38 going to up to 11.0 is if as a BR 10.3 was moved up to 11.0.
I personally think 10.7 fits better with that decompression at this time.
I’ve supported RDFLT to 11.0 with the removal of its incorrect thermals for the gunner’s optic it has modeled does not have a thermal channel.
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What do we have here, US main,below average at game,crying about mid vehicle. Everything check, 0.2 K/D in F-5C is truly something
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The only ifv that can chew through every mbt frontally from 9.3 to 12.0 while 360 no scoping every aircraft flying thing totally needs an up br.
Clinging to aphe? No, it’s just one of the many pros of the 2s38 that I stated. Also does it, or does it not work well with side shots on mbt’s? And you know you can bring more than 2 ammo types right, so apfsds, proxy he, and aphe is all possible on this vehicle. So using the vehicles you’ve stated as comparisons to the 2s38 is ludicrous whether you agree or not, because they don’t have apfsds or much of what the 2s38 has for that matter…
Its not an attack that you suck at the game. Its a fact that your stats prove.
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that’s not an opinion - 2s38 shouldn’t be compared to american protolights because its so different from them
whats an opinion even, half of your messages are misinformed opinions
you also did not respond to any of my valid points instead opting to call them opinions
is that wrong though? why would anyone take balancing suggestions from players that simply dont understand what they are talking about due to their lack of experience
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If your aircraft in 10.3+ is “360 no scoped” by 2s38, you have a big problem… and it aint the 2s38
What we have here is an inexperienced, low-skilled player (OP) who overestimates his own knowledge, yet lacks the expertise to make accurate judgments.
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