Moving the F-16As down is compression and it should be avoided
No it isn’t, it’s bad BR placement.
Stop calling everything in the world compression.
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Does the Kfir C7 have a better sustained turn rate Alvis?
Does the Kfir C7 have Radar Alvis?
Does the Kfir C7 have better gun Alvis?
Does the Kfir C7 have a radar gun lead Alvis?
Does the Kfir C7 have as cold engines as the F-5E Alvis?
Classical Alvis take here.
Although the kfir has 2 more pythons, the F-5E has access 2x all aspect aim9p + 2 pythons also which isn’t much worse. All in all they should be the same BR at 11.7, the F-5E FCU is undertiered and the Kfir C7 overtiered.
Kurnass 2000 is an EJ kai with only 6x python 3 which is bad, python 3s are unreliable missiles that will be 1 flared even at rear aspect and short ranges by everything that isn’t an F-14. On top of my head the m2k is the best 12.3, probably followed by the bison and then the EJ kai itself
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Okay so at low tiers you have the situation where one extra machine gun would warrant one BR step but at high tiers you can have FGR 2 and F-16A be one step apart (If you bring it down). You are creating more compression in terms of capabilities along the BR scale.
Saying it’s “bad BR placement” and not “compression” is just stupid when two are interchangeable. We have compression because a lot of BRs are “badly placed”.
FGR2 is also overtiered, so that’s a bad choice for your point.
I prefer the term badly placed instead sorry
Btw that is not even the worst part. FGR2 can already see F-16As. Bigger problem is F-16As would be able to face 11.3s.
The 10.3s also have to face 11.3 and is as much of a problem. This is a matter of decompression and can’t be argued for not placing the F-16A or the others I mentioned into their propper BR considering the actual state of compression
Right. But for decompression to happen F-16A will have to go up and not down that’s for sure.
Yes, irrelevant as neither have radar missiles, “yes”, not relevant, not relevant.
Kfir C2 is balanced at 11.7, which makes the C7 balanced at 12.0.
“Only” 6 Python 3s, and 290 countermeasures. Python 3s and AIM-9Ls are among the most reliable IR missiles in the game.
FGR2 is under-BR’d not over-BR’d. The fact you think FGR2 and F-4J are over-BR’d is hilarious.
Your post’s line of thinking implies F-14A should be 12.0.
@themadseventeen
Stop trying to redefine words, you are not the arbiter of definitions.
Prove that 13.7s are going down to 13.3 with the F-16A, and 14.0 is going to 13.7.
You don’t need to make up fiction to oppose bad ideas.
For example, the F8u2 which is an excellent, and rather undertiered 10.3 has nothing on the J7E.
???
Compress: To increase the density of a subject.
In this case the BR range 1.0 - 14.0.
There are two ways to compress:
1- Add a new vehicle class [F-15C MSIP II without Typhoon, Rafale, F-15E, Su-27SM’s FM fixes] without adding a new BR.
2- Change the BR range from 1.0 - 14.0 to 1.0 - </=13.7.
Moving existing vehicles around in the existing BR range is not compression or decompression.
Moving F-16A down in BR is a bad BR suggestion, that’s what it is. It’s okay that’s what it is. We don’t need to make false claims about it otherwise.
Radar is very useful to slave missiles like the aim9L or the python that will lock on the first flare they see and you cant unlock from that for some time.
And the F-5E radar is quite useful even in look-down at shorter ranges.
How can these be reliable if they rely on the enemy not flaring and not shooting a missile at someone else? Because the python 3/Aim-9L will easily be baited in both situations.
FGR2 only has aim7e2s which is considerably worse than the aim7fs the F-4J and F-4S get.
More wacky implications by Alvis
Some of those are fine, but others like the F-16A. Could be argued to already be under BRed Vs many at or around 11.7/12.0 and moving them down is just making compression worse for everyone else. Whilst an F-16A with only 9Ls may struggle Vs things uptiers (what doesn’t ).I would argue the F-16A has a better chance Vs most in an uptier than most 11.3s do Vs an F-16
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@HighRiskNoReward Slaving IR missiles does nothing, especially without HMD; it use to do something when IR missile warm up time was 3+ seconds.
The boresight of IR missiles is literally the same as the radar boresight.
FGR2 has Skyflash, which is still a competitive missile, and the FGR 2 has notably better airframe performance to make up for the minor differences between AIM-7F and Skyflash in the context of air RB.
FGR2 and F-4J are sidegrades.
What is your opinion on the m2k or the bison sitting at 12.3? Would you rather face 4 m2k on the opposing team while flying a F-4E or Mig21bis, or face 4 F-16A instead?
M2Ks. They are generally slower and I would have half a chance of outrunning them in stuff like the Tornado Gr1, F3 or Phantoms (my aircraft of that bracket)
Bison I don’t care about. It can be 14.0
You must be disconnected or you don’t know how to use the radar to help you get better locks between flaring.
@HighRiskNoReward
IR warm up time is 1 second or less, I don’t need assistance between pre-flaring cause no one preflares every <1 second unless they turn on auto-flare, especially if they’re in flare-limited aircraft like F-16, F-5, F-14, etc. They tend to save their flares for actual emergencies.
If I had a skill issue in timing, maybe it might help but there’s no guarantee.
Maybe my rhythm gaming helped me, maybe the warm up time is genuinely just meta, maybe both.
Either way I run without radar on because radars give warnings.