12.0 air shouldnt face anything else but other 12.0

After many battle with my Viggen D it start to be so annoying that i need to face a jets that are so much better then mine, even is i fully spade it. And i know that after the update it will be even worse to play with newer better F-16s and Mig-29s.


I honestly agree. Planes like the F4J are not competitive at the BR they’re at and get stomped every single time they face mig29’s and f-16’s. Either Gaijin moves the BR cap up and those top tier vehicles along with it to decrompress the BR range and make it easier for everyone, or Gaijin removes the max BR deviation (1.0 in this case) that you’re allowed to have in a match, meaning that you would only face planes of your own BR (example, 10.7 only fights 10.7).


yeah especially the F-16C and MiG-29SMT. Those two have no business literally ever fighting anything short of 12.0

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As any other BR should not face anything than their own BR ???

Stop it please,…

The problem is that 11.0-11.3 jets are being power crept hard.

Even in a game where it’s only 2-3 top tier jets they can still clap you easily. And its only going to get worse with the new addition of 12.0 jets.

Gaijin refuses to decompress the BR’s for aircraft. Tanks are one thing because a 10.0 can still do well in an 11.7 game on the ground but air is a different story.

I mean for instance the F1C’s at 11.3 have Pulse guided radar missiles - and it isn’t really modeled accurately because they flip out whenever 1 chaff gets popped. So you’re one long range missile can be defeated easily.

The other issue is that if they see 10.3’s they usually clap them. However that being said. You almost NEVER see a downtier in an 11.3 jet. In all the games of my F1C I have maybe literally only seen like 10 games out of 200+.

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Idk what you are doing in your Viggen D, but it is very much capable of handling 12.0. It has the airframe, and missiles to do so with no real problems.

If you are going from Viggen C to D, im pretty sure you just don’t like the top tier gameplay. Which is very understandable, but Viggen D sits perfectly fine in the current meta at 12.0.

They should try using the Tornado GR.1

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Not familiar with that aircraft, but there is certainly need for some decompression. However the angle OP comes from seems rooted in something else. Like even Viggen C can handle 12.0 fine, mostly suffering due to lack of flares really (edit:quantity of flares). Sure you lose the 9L, but it does not change a ton with the RB 71 (DF) being how you get the easy kills.

for the F1C I either just ran 3x2000lbs + 2 MM2s or 3 530Es and 2 MM2s since the SARH was pointless cuz of the seekers tbh

on a more related note to the convo though I think OP is just not as proficient in his aircraft as he could be with a tad more experience; decompression is necessary but it’s also not like the aircraft at 11.0+ can’t handle top tier (with some exceptions, planes like the 104S, EJ and the likes can definitely struggle a bit and planes like the F1C are just really mid compared to the competition). A higher cap like 13.0 for example and general decompression would help, but even right now I don’t think 11.Xs are unplayable in the face of 12.0s either.

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The MiG isn’t overperforming. It’s performing to spec. They’re more than capable of shooting down their equivalents from the west. The problem isn’t the machines, it’s the people operating it.
American jets never faced anything equal to their performance after vietnam.
They either faced vehhicles a generation or two behind, outdated or worse versions of their equivalents or incompetent pilots. Sometimes a combination of those.
That’s not the case when playing war thunder however…

Before you pull up the current war: If the american vehicles were as poorly maintained as the russian ones they’d suck just as bad. It’s well known that the current russian military might as well have been untrained militia, since the corrupt officers rarely let them practice, if ever. Most russian pilots have a fraction of the time that any other european or american pilot has spent in a cockpit.

Your usage of the statistics is dishonest at best and propagandist at worst and you name doesn’t really give me hope it’s only the former…


Lol ok Baghdad bob… There more to it than oh its just maintenance lol I mean look at what usa made because of soviet myths I shouldnt even have to tell you its name but 104 to a big fat zero is its record and what 25 years later they make su27 10 years after the Raptor…

F-15 has 104 kills

Why is this post flagged??? If you cant handle history I feel so bad for you…


Yes, but…

The whole idea of rank systems in these online PVP games is to try and ‘encourage’ people to get to the top of the ladder so they can’t get up-tiered anymore.

Hopefully frustrating them enough to spend money to increase the grind speed, without frustrating them so much they quit.

This IMO is the main reason Gaijin pushes back on decompression so hard.

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Western nations train pilots far better than eastern nations. The relative real-life K/D isn’t much of a point to use when compared to the actual flight performance of the planes themselves.

There’s also the factor that most Mig29s were lost to surface to air missiles.

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The US has tested the MIG29.

An excerpt from the first test of the Mig29 by a western RAND pilot in 1990

Whatever the case, the point that matters is that the Soviet aircraft industry, with the MiG-29 and the Su-27, has fully closed the gap with currently deployed USAF and Navy fighters in terms of air-vehicle performance. In some respects (notably in acceleration, sustained turn rate, and stability at slow speeds), the MiG-29 is reported to surpass its Western counterparts.47


lol it surpassed aircraft built 20 years before it …How does it compare to the F-22 which was built before Su27?

The F16 was built in 74, the Mig 29 in 77.

That test is from 1990. The SMT was first tested in 1998. This article is comparing one of the earliest versions of the Mig29 to it’s contemporary western counterparts.

Why even bother to try and make your point?


What? The f-22 was built almost 2 decades after the Su-27!

Are you just trolling or are you a fanatic?

Waitwaitwaitwait… you do know that the Su-30 to Su-37 are upgrades of the su-27 from the 70s right?