As we all know the infamous 10.3 USSR lineup (T-80UD, 2S38, T-72 TURMS and BMP-2M) it might just be the best lineup I have seen in ages. But this is mostly about the T-80UD being unfair for even Abrams tanks (except the 120S) I did multiple armour pen tests from 9.3 to 11.3 (11.3 doesn’t struggle that much so nothing about that) But the 9.3s facing T-80UD is very unfair like the Leopard 1A5 or the L/44 - 408mm / 393mm pen is barely enough to even lower plate the T-80UD. Boxer MGS is also almost unable to pen the T-80UD with 430mm of penetration. Not even gonna talk about the M1 Abrams (10.7) with 292mm / 372mm pen which is not able to pen it effectively. The T-80UD is basically a T-90 Bishma which was moved up to 10.7 so I see no point of letting the T-80UD stay on 10.3 if they are the same tank but different call signs. Mentioning this brings up the same problem that the T-80UD is basically a T-80UK without good APFSDS but they still have the same armour and Anti Tank guided missiles as an option instead of any HEAT or APFSDS. Mentioning the 2S38 now. It is balanced for the BR but it still needs a bit of rework. Just curios what you all think on this.
Wait… The T-80UD isn’t in 10.7, Gaijin type activities
UD lacks thermals as well which Is why I think they have been slow to raising its br to 10.7 at a minimum.
Tbh, skill issue. It dies like any other Russian tank. 430mm of pen is more than enough for the LFP, turret ring and drivers port.
I’m very bad in tanks, so what I’m about to say comes with the disclaimer of my own ‘Skill issues’, but it definitely seems like it could do with a bump to 10.7.
Even without the reverse and thermals, it is after all still a T80. We live in a compression hellscape and everything dominates or suffers depending on uptier or downtier. So there’s two sides to every BR change. But I do believe 9.3’s struggle more against a 10.3 T80UD, than a 10.7 T80UD would struggle against 11.7’s.
This is just a typical Soviet tank with typical good frontal protection, typical weak spots, standard gun depression, and poor reverse speed.
For those who purchase it, it only has 2 slight advantages in loading speed (6.5 compared to 7.1) and runs slightly faster (1000 hp engine compared to 840hp) compared to the T-72B in the same br. However, for those who fight against it, it is basically no different from the same T-72B, and even because the T-80UD’s autoloader module is higher compared to the T-72B, it is easier to destroy it by destroy its autoloader, making it unable to load. This is not difficult.
As for 10.7, the T-90S runs as fast as it does (even faster considering track performance), has better protection (better turret and lower autoloader position), and has a 2-generation thermal sight, which obviously surpasses it in all aspects (except for loading time), so I don’t think the T-80UD is qualified or likely to be upgraded to 10.7. At least currently, its player data (win rate and KD) has not led Gaijin to believe that there is anything wrong with its br, so instead of expecting it, you should better learn how to deal with it.
As for the issue you mentioned about how to handle it the 9.3 vehicle, please refer to how people in 2019 used XM1 and 120mm Leopard1 to handle the T-72B and T-80U. At that time, the top br was only 10.3 . Besides, there are also two T-72Bs with excellent frontal protection as the T-80UD, which have been in the game for quite a long time. You need to be more familiar with them and find their weak spots. They are not as scary as you imagine.
lacks of thermal and subpar 125mm, 292 in 10.7 is understandable not T-80UD
Nah. Best lineups are all at 9.3.
And the best 10.3 lineup remains USA for those of us that spent $40 on M60 AMBT during the World War event.
And neither are M1128, 120S, and M60 ABMT.
Not even a skill issue if you meet it head on with like a 9.3 Leopard 1A5 lets say. It is about whose reaction time is better if you can aim for the weakspot faster than him who can pen you anywhere.
No reverse, he is good at 10.3 end of discussions.
292 is understandable? I can´t pen even next to cannon of that shit, and it´s downtier.
No wonder you say this when you are level 77, which has the most played BMP-2M and 2S38. Try the abrams against those soviet bastards and then comment
Those 9.3s will kill T-80UD in the same way as they kill T-72A, which is their contemporary.
You forgot that UK is much more mobile and has thermals alongside better dart.
still lacks of thermal, it is fair to put 292 at 10.7 since it penetration is good at 0 degree, are trying to tell me 3bm42 on t-80ud is too good for its tier? oh god i think it is time to put 120s at br 10.7-11.0 since its penetration is too good for its br are you catching up to what im saying right here?
how is it so hard for you to hit t-80’s mantlet? my breech got hit more than i can count
t-80uk without good apfsds but they still have the same armour
let’s ignore the fact that
• it has 884hp engine (lower than most mbt of its br)
•it has t72 transmission and reverse seed of 4.2km/h (one of the slowest reverse speed since panther)
•no thermal (most soviet mbt of 10.3-10.7 doesnt have this while american tanks even experimental seems to have it but somehow that suddenly become fair and balanced)