Well yeah because there’s a huge difference between putting two existing things together. Like say E-100 Hull and Maus turret.
Flakpanzer 341 is making something from thin air.
Turning a small wood mockup into full steel is quite different.
Yet nothing for America between the the M42 and M113 with the 20mm. Seems like they needed the resources more than Germany at this BR.
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Not really, the wood turns to steel and components, and the glue turns to welds.
What? That’s like saying that putting an existing magazine design into an existing rifle is less real than a wooden mockup of a magazine…
Just putting two objects together doesn’t make a new thing, it just makes a combination, and still, the Zestörer 45, yet again, is purely speculative. The guns of the Flakpanzer 314 existed, so who’s not to say they threw it on a panther chassis like they have portrayed the Zestörer.
Out of curiousity. Do you think any documentation or plans were made for this? Or did soldiers just take an existing gun, an existing hull and simply do 2+2?
Things like these don’t generally have any plans or documents because they are ad-hoc, also likely technically unsanctioned, field modifications with likely 0 input from centralised organisations.
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Ah OK so it’s mostly a fictional vehicle.
I saw on the devstream all barrels fire simultaneously. Shouldn’t they fire in alternating sequence? I read that firing all guns on the flak 2cm which is on the Wirbelwind at the same time would induce strong vibrations leading to damage. So they would only fire 2 guns at the same time, meanwhile reload the other two guns. So on and so forth.
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Mobelwage with quad 30mm isn’t the real Zerstörer 45
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Yeah, that’s kinda my point.
wasnt there a picture of the completed zerztorer 45 with the wirblewind turret here on the forums?
People are really confused and just repeating wrong points!
The vehicle, which gets added to warthunder, existed.
The gun system was tested on the panzer 4 chassie
The Zerstörer 45 probably not.
To avoid these confusion it should be renamed tbh.
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It is correct though, why would Mobelwage that was used only for testing of the guns called Zerstörer 45, when the plans was that the Zerstörer 45 should be an improved wirbilwind even in here Gaijin admit that it should be an improved wirbilwind
100% it’s should be renamed it have nothing to do with the concept of the Zerstörer 45
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Yeah just rename it. It’s like calling every quad 20mm “wirbelwind”.
the damage is already done and people believe that this vehicle is a fake vehicle although it existed in this form
Exactly, they literally took one of my long waited and favourite vehicles and completely destroye it the least they can do know is give it the correct name, and btw the Zerstörer 45 passed consideration in 2014 all of this happened bc of Gaijin selfishness and like of research about this vehicle
The Coelian, a wooden mockup closed top vehicle using precious panther hulls with a 3.7cm flak 44 that has little info exists on to suggest it entered production, that needed sophisticated periscopes and sights, a ventilation system and never had said turret ever actually built was closer to production than a vehicle that took the mk103, slapped it in a quad mount and put it on a panzer 4 chassis with the eventual goal of having a open top turret like the wirbelwind?
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I checked every single link posted in that thread and saw a sum total of 0 proof that the Zerstorer 45 should look any different than, a 103/38 flakvierling mounted on a panzer IV.
So again, proof of HOW and WHY this implementation is unhistorical?
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don’t be fooled guys, this isn’t an spaa, germany already has plenty of them. This is a tank destroyer with 77mm of pen (yes they gave it apcr for whatever the reason is)
because all other spaa have similar pen to this. AMX10p, sub1-2 have dm63 with less 0° pen but much better angle pen. The italian leo 40 has better pen aswell. Even the duster has similar pen at 3.7 or wherever this thing now sits
It still has only 17mm at 60° at 0m because it is apcr