It’ll be peak to see :3
don’t forget the steering angle fix
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How the ZA-35 radar should fold.
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Unfortunately we don’t have variable radar heights. Should automatically change with the current range setting.
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It did not rely on range settings, it was operaten in lower position while moving through tree rich areas, in oreder to minimize possible damage.
Did it not affect the max range at all?
Basically identical rounds in everyway. Only way it would end up worse is you don’t get funni Aphe moments but you have 640 rounds of apds
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I’m surprised the cheetah hasn’t been added yet tbh
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Now i have remade the report with ALL the sources i have.
Wall of text warning
ZA-35 should have gunner TVD
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It shouldnt affect max range at all just due to the radar’s power, and the fact aircraft don’t tend to be a threat on the ground
Its power limited, not horison limited like naval search radars and some air radars
Nope.
The ingame APDS-T (DM 23) is not TLD-049 (PMD-049) but TLD-038, which has a lower muzzle-velocity, different sabot and features a solid 294g tungsten core. TLD-049 features a additional nosecap made out of some lower density material and as such also a different core.
FAPDS (TLD/PMD-055) has comparable first-plate penetration to TLD-038.
cant remember what I made this for initially but I might aswell re-use it:
Not sure what the penetrator mass of TLD-049 is. The mass including the sabot is identical to TLD-038, i.e. 380g.
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No.
The core is designed to break apart gradually after penetration to increase fragmentation and (due to the use of aluminium for bonding) incendiary effects. It is however not going to shatter upon impact at high obliquity like ingame HVAP/APCR does for example (It’s also literally designed around dealing with target-arrays consisting out of several platings)
The 35mm FAPDS penetrator itself features a pusher-plate which’s sole purpose is to essentially shove whatever is infront of it forward during the initial penetration process, while not being frangible itself, which results in comparable, to identical (depending on the specific shell) first-plate penetration as APDS/-T.
Example of a TNO 35mm FAPDS penetrator (the 25mm FAPDS doesnt feature this pusher-plate btw, making its’ penetration comparatively worse)
Spoiler: Excerpt from dutch article on FAPDS
“The high penetration power is comparable to the APDS from which the new ammunition is derived.”
Comparison of the penetration of 25x137 APDS-T (TLB/PMB 044) and 25x137 FAPDS-T (PMB 098)
PMB 044 APDS-T - 25mm RHA, 1000m, @ 60° NATO
PMB 098 FAPDS-T - 25mm RHA, 1000m, @ 60° NATO
I have figures for a polish 35mm FAPDS-T penetrator, however take it with a grain of salt as its’ design heavily differs from what the bundeswehr (and as such Gepard 1 A2) used:
Without considering the spacing between the platings, that is 56.57mm of LOS penetration at 2km
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It seems Gaijin realy does not want to add the TVD
https://community.gaijin.net/p/warthunder/i/0ZQEB3jrq1Fm?comment=UAmF4goBRC5L1F4ebVPBvcWs
These 2 PRIMARY sources should have been enough, but no, they wanted more
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/BiX8AdYUZ2h0
so i gave more.
Response to that is “Encyclopedias (such as Jane’s and International Defense Review) and foreign (not from country of origins) secondary sources are not reliable sources.”
Which makes all secondary sources present in the report not reliable.
BUT NO
"“may be fitted” means that the original version has no FLIR. "
They then instantly quote not reliable secondary source.
So is it reliable only when rejecting?
Just like they did originally, where they went against their own rules
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/kjFzLKXUzwiW
"Not a bug. The report lacks proof that the ZA-35 was equipped with a FLIR.
Military Technology 1991, Vol.12 mentions:
A lower-cost version of the system would be offered with an LLTV in place of the FLIR.
This means that there was LLVT version, not a FLIR.
And the ZA-35 brochure mentions:
The system can be equipped with a forward-looking infra-red sensor which will give the system a night-fight capability.
This means that the FLIR is not equipped and the LLVT version is.
Therefore, you need to provide additional evidence for this"
They used a “foreign (not from country of origins) secondary sources are not reliable sources.”, and not even the part talking about the current state, but a part about FUTURE DEVELOPMENT
Here is the part talking about current situation of ZA
And here is the part where they talk about developments
Yet SOMEHOW that takes priority.
FROM THE SAME SOURCE
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We know Gaijin has two sets of rules.
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Anything for stronk Russia
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Everything else.
See also - KH-38MT, LDIRCM, Yak-141, BMPT, 2S38, QUAD LMURS, PANTSIR SV, RELIKT ERA… and so on and so forth…
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Pretty sure its an issue with source interprepretation, I read it as;
- FLIR (TVD with fixed magnification)
- Option for TVD with two levels of magnification.
- Option for low-cost NVD.
ZA national defence industry was well able to manufacture or source Gen 1 TVD at the time, as seen in the contemporary TTD. If the buff is being refused as a balance decision, it should simply be stated as so.
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The thing is, by their own standard, proof on image
This source should not be taken into account at all, as it is a foreign to South Africa secondary source.
However, for some reason it is, and it took priority over primary source, and now sources.
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I have appealed the report rejection, maybe something will go out of it
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Another argument in favor of the sight having a Thermal sight is the picture of the optics themselves:
Look at the port side optic, it has a mirror like surface
Lets compare them to ADATS with a similar setup, we also see that the thermal sight has a similar mirror finish on the window that dosen 't allow visible light to enter the thermal optic.
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