In which tech tree would it be placed though ?.. I feel lile Gaijin should add a standalone eastern/central european tech tree where Poland, Yugoslavia etc are subtrees in it.
Both Poland and Yugoslavia can work as stand alone trees
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Yugoslavia might have enough original vehicles and unique variants, but I don’t think that Poland has enough stuff to warrant a standalone techtree. Their pre-war/early-war techtree would be kinda-sorta OK, but after that it would be a bunch of copy-paste vehicles, with a few exceptions (Iskra, Iryda and maybe the Lim-5/6 in the air tree, Rosomak, Twardy, Borsuk, T-55AM and a few prototypes like the BWP-2000 in the ground tree). Maybe if it is combined with Czechoslovakia and the Baltic countries then it would be fleshed out a bit, but at least half of the ground tree and most of the air tree would be a copy-paste.
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If you think that Yugoslavia has enough, Poland does as well
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France is quite the stretch lol
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Kingtiez-live, I was thinking if Israel fits in the US techtree Yugoslavia should be able to fit under French techtree as the relationship is similar and the Yugoslav vehicles would really complement the French.
The French already have a group sub tree. Adding Eastern European flavor to France would leave a bad taste. Also Israel didn’t end up in the U.S. tree clearly.
Poland has over 290 vehicles just for ground, giving Poland Czechoslovakia as a subtree is bad idea since Czechoslovakia has over 500 vehicles avaliable just for ground.
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I seriously doubt that the Poles even operated 290 separate types and subtypes of vehicles suitable for addition to the game. Not to mention that: majority of it would be copy-paste, especially in the air tree, as with the exception of the Iskra, the Iryda and the Lim-5P/Lim-6, no Polish military aircraft was produced between 1939 and the present day (no, paper projects and mockups like the TS-16 Grot does not count, as this is not the World of Warplanes). In the low-mid and mid tiers, they have no local designs or foreign designs with significant local modifications.
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I’m sorry? Are you saying Yugoslavia is more unique? In air?
Now, this is probably out dated or something, but it’s not more unique than the Polish air tree
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Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Compared to Poland, they have a similar amount of unique pre-war designs, or unique, locally modified variants of pre-war designs, and they have more locally produced post-war aircraft. That list is indeed outdated, and missing a few aircraft like the Yugoslav Hind (used a different engine than the original Hawker Hind), the BH-33E-SHS, the Zmaj R-1, and a number of others.
Poland has a larger selection of non modified, domestic aircraft for pre-war, while also having a similar amount of unique locally produced aircraft after WW2, which includes modified and domestic airframes.
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Pre-war I’d say it is sort of the same amount when it comes to local aircraft, or foreign aircraft with significant local modifications, maybe slightly more Polish aircraft than Yugoslav, but the post-war Polish air tree would be severely lacking. It would have three local types/subtypes (TS-11 Iskra bis-A, TS-11 Iskra-R, I-22 Iryda), two to four license built and modified types (Lim-5, Lim-5P, Lim-6 and Lim-6M), the rest would be Soviet copy-paste, with the exception of the F-16, the F-35 and the FA-50 at top tier.
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And what would Yugoslavia be then? For post war
J-451MM Strsljen, Ikarus 452, G-2-A Galeb, G-2 Galeb-3, G-4 Super Galeb, G-4M Super Galeb, J-21 Jastreb, NJ-21 Jastreb, J-22A Orao, J-22B Orao-2, J-22M1A Orao, INJ-22M Orao. If “post-war” refers to the timeframe, then Ikarus S-49 and J-20 Kraguj is also a post-war aircraft, although performance-wise they are closer to mid/late-war designs. Plus additionally the Croatian MiG-21D and the Serbian MiG-29SM can be considered as a significant, local modification.
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No they cant, majority of poland would be copy paste.
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Yes, yes, it is, Yugoslavia by far has more unique Aircraft then Poland does.
Yugoslavia has more of both categories. (I retract this, Poland did in fact have a stronger aircraft industry pre WW2, after reading a couple of forum posts about it.)
But post WW2, Yugoslavia clearly wins
And that goes for ground units, too.
But a combined Czechoslovakia-Polish TT would be far more varied and advanced compared to Yugo one that is true…
You are pushing the French influence too much. France was a part of many procurements and technology sharing for Yugoslavia, which is true. But it was far from the influence on Yugoslavia, as you state here. Yugoslavia had its own designs that incorporated British, French, USSR, USA, and other influences to create its own blend of equipment. And unlike some states in-game that get purchased equipment, most of what would go to the Yugo TT is domestically produced, and even in the worst-case scenario, it would be the size of the Swedish TT. What it lacks is mostly to do with Modern Air units that will be mostly French and Russian jets, while there is plenty of modern ground stuff from ex-Yu states, Serbia, Croatia, and Slovenia…
Yugoslavia may not have had as much unique stuff as France, or even that much of a military industry in comparison, but one thing is sure: Yugoslavia is unique to warrant its own TT, much more than Israel, and, for that matter, it can rival, even Sweden.
And no, it would be the worst place to put Yugoslavia as a French sub-tt, that is just the dumbest thing I read on this forum to date.